Unlisted GMRS repeaters

[K811]

I discovered several open GRMS repeaters in my area by simply listening to frequencies. However only small fraction is listed on myGMRS.

Some are listed on other sites and some are not listed at all.

My understanding is that "If you are not the owner, please contact the repeater owner to add it to the database." But many discovered repeaters don't publish their call sign or published call sign seems bogus.

Question: why does myGMRS prohibit publishing open systems repeater information on their web site?

[UncleYoda]

The most common reason I've heard is to keep the repeater use limited, as in to keep hoards of users away.  But the most used repeater in my area still has lots of dead air.

[WRYZ926]

31 minutes ago, K811 said:

Question: why does myGMRS prohibit publishing open systems repeater information on their web site?

Because not all repeater owner's want their repeaters listed for what ever reasons. And it also keeps from have multiple listings for the same repeater on the website. 

Another thing is if someone besides the owner listed a repeater that requires permission, then the repeater owner will not get any requests at all through MyGMRS.

[Socalgmrs]

Because they don’t want the general public on a personal repeater.   I work several ranches throughout the week local and in other states. They very active repeaters for ranch or farm business.   None of them want the general public using the repeaters.  So please do not list something that is not yours.   Why would you even want to.   What activities are you doing with your family or friends that requires you to want to list strangers private repeaters.   
 

WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION.  what would this even cross some ones mi d. Gmrs is MORE than repeaters.  

[MarkInTampa]

17 hours ago, K811 said:

I discovered several open GRMS repeaters in my area by simply listening to frequencies. However only small fraction is listed on myGMRS.

Some are listed on other sites and some are not listed at all.

My understanding is that "If you are not the owner, please contact the repeater owner to add it to the database." But many discovered repeaters don't publish their call sign or published call sign seems bogus.

Question: why does myGMRS prohibit publishing open systems repeater information on their web site?

The two largest and OPEN repeaters in my area are not listed on MyGMRS anymore. After one year of the repeater owner not logging into MyGMRS they get delisted from the map. I've talked to both repeater owners and they told me the same thing - they simply got tired of repeater requests, problems or questions. New users are welcome, both changed the MyGMRS listing to open repeater and listed the tone and don't log into the site anymore so the listings are gone. 

[SteveShannon]

1 minute ago, MarkInTampa said:

The two largest and OPEN repeaters in my area are not listed on MyGMRS anymore. After one year of the repeater owner not logging into MyGMRS they get delisted from the map. I've talked to both repeater owners and they told me the same thing - they simply got tired of repeater requests, problems or questions. New users are welcome, both changed the MyGMRS listing to open repeater and listed the tone and don't log into the site anymore so the listings are gone. 

Unless removed they should still appear when old data is selected. 

[MarkInTampa]

3 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Unless removed they should still appear when old data is selected. 

They do - but they don't show up on the MyGMRS map view and you have to know to select stale and/or offline repeaters in the list view.

[SteveShannon]

6 minutes ago, MarkInTampa said:

They do - but they don't show up on the MyGMRS map view and you have to know to select stale and/or offline repeaters in the list view.

They can be made to appear in the map view by going to the list view first but there’s either a bug or a poor design that causes problems if you start in map view. I’ll dig up the complaint I turned in. Also, Gil I think found a workaround. 
Here is my complaint to Rich, which matches what you said:

[SteveShannon]

Here’s what Gil @WRUU653 found:

“Yeah, there is something glitching, I found if I turn on both stale and offline tabs all the repeaters disappear from the map. But if I click on a repeater that is on the map and then click on that repeaters info, then go back and select stale and offline they show up. A ridiculous work around. I had wondered if this was because of my security settings as I hadn’t seen anyone complain about it. I’m using IOS on an iPad. I’ll go put on some coffee and see if it behaves the same on my Mac desktop. I’ll let you know what I find and I guess we should let Rich know.”

[MarkInTampa]

1 minute ago, SteveShannon said:

They can be made to appear in the map view but there’s either a bug or a poor design that causes problems. I’ll dig up the complaint I turned in. 

If I bring up one of the repeaters in list view with stale/offline enabled and click on the repeater name, it will bring up the repeater info and a map view of the repeater location for what it's worth. 

 

[WRUU653]

17 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Here’s what Gil @WRUU653 found:

“Yeah, there is something glitching, I found if I turn on both stale and offline tabs all the repeaters disappear from the map. But if I click on a repeater that is on the map and then click on that repeaters info, then go back and select stale and offline they show up. A ridiculous work around. I had wondered if this was because of my security settings as I hadn’t seen anyone complain about it. I’m using IOS on an iPad. I’ll go put on some coffee and see if it behaves the same on my Mac desktop. I’ll let you know what I find and I guess we should let Rich know.”

I did test this with my Mac desktop and had the same results. I also put in a report to Rich.

[K811]

My personal opinion is that if there is an open repeater which does  not do anything to hide PL, e.g. input equals output, it should be listed regardless of the owner's desire. It is an OPEN repeater.

Prohibiting anyone but owner to list OPEN repeater makes myGMRS site usability very questionable to say the least. I came here for the sole purpose to see if several really OPEN, input equals output, repeaters I can hear around me are listed on the site and they are not.

I believe that there should be a way for anyone to post OPEN repeater information and give all users ability to confirm its status if they can access it.

[WRYZ926]

MyGMRS and repeater book are setup so that only the repeater owner or authorized representative are suppose to be able to add, edit, or delete repeaters from the lists. I know with how MYGMRS is setup, if you list someone else's repeater, you will be the one getting any and all requests for access. Both websites require you to acknowledge that you the repeater owner or an authorized representative when you list any repeaters.

And yes we all know that anyone can scan and get the tones easily. That still doesn't make it right for someone other than the repeater owner or authorized representative to list said repeater.

I know that I would nt care for anyone else listing my repeater on MYGMRS. The reason is that they would start getting all requests. Yes the repeater is open but it is still nice when people do take the time to request permission to use it. It's common courtesy.

[M5Fan]

GMRS seems pretty quiet in N Dallas. There are zero repeaters with hoards of users wanting in … sad, but true. Ham way mo betta

[gortex2]

I have multiple repeaters. None are listed. I dont need or want them listed. Why should others list my repeater ? 

[Flameout]

15 hours ago, K811 said:

My personal opinion is that if there is an open repeater which does  not do anything to hide PL, e.g. input equals output, it should be listed regardless of the owner's desire. It is an OPEN repeater.

Prohibiting anyone but owner to list OPEN repeater makes myGMRS site usability very questionable to say the least. I came here for the sole purpose to see if several really OPEN, input equals output, repeaters I can hear around me are listed on the site and they are not.

I believe that there should be a way for anyone to post OPEN repeater information and give all users ability to confirm its status if they can access it.

I'm hoping that you're not really serious??

[WRUU653]

15 hours ago, K811 said:

My personal opinion is that if there is an open repeater which does  not do anything to hide PL, e.g. input equals output, it should be listed regardless of the owner's desire. It is an OPEN repeater.

Prohibiting anyone but owner to list OPEN repeater makes myGMRS site usability very questionable to say the least. I came here for the sole purpose to see if several really OPEN, input equals output, repeaters I can hear around me are listed on the site and they are not.

I believe that there should be a way for anyone to post OPEN repeater information and give all users ability to confirm its status if they can access it.

The definition of an open repeater is one that has been deemed so by the owner. GMRS repeaters are privately owned. You don’t have the right to list them, only the owner does. Furthermore a repeater having a matching output does not make it open, in fact programming the output (receive) isn’t even need to operate a repeater or hear it. 

[K811]

2 hours ago, WRUU653 said:

The definition of an open repeater is one that has been deemed so by the owner. GMRS repeaters are privately owned. You don’t have the right to list them, only the owner does. Furthermore a repeater having a matching output does not make it open, in fact programming the output (receive) isn’t even need to operate a repeater or hear it. 

Programming an output which matches its input is nothing other then open repeater advertisement.

[K811]

Another reason I started this thread is that repeater in question publishes its call sign, via Morse code, where owner's name does not match listed postal address based on the public records. I was able to trivially find and talk to the owners of all other repeaters I can hear in my area, but not this one.

[OffRoaderX]

6 minutes ago, K811 said:

owner's name does not match listed postal address based on the public records. I was able to trivially find and talk to the owners of all other repeaters I can hear in my area, but not this one.

Geezus phorking Khriest ... dude... Go outside and get some fresh air and sunshine.

[WRCR724]

19 hours ago, K811 said:

My personal opinion is that if there is an open repeater which does  not do anything to hide PL, e.g. input equals output, it should be listed regardless of the owner's desire. It is an OPEN repeater.

Prohibiting anyone but owner to list OPEN repeater makes myGMRS site usability very questionable to say the least. I came here for the sole purpose to see if several really OPEN, input equals output, repeaters I can hear around me are listed on the site and they are not.

I believe that there should be a way for anyone to post OPEN repeater information and give all users ability to confirm its status if they can access it.

There is no requirement that a GMRS repeater owner list their repeater information here on this website, or any other website. Why get fixated on finding out information that that repeater owner has not made public? Who cares??? What if the owner only puts it on the air when he knows that he will need to use it himself to communicate with those he has already shared the information with? I agree with @OffRoaderX, go outside and get some fresh air and sunshine. I would also recommend touching some grass as well. Just don't bring your radio with you!

[TrikeRadio]

1 minute ago, WRCR724 said:

...I would also recommend touching some grass ass well. ...

Excellent Typo there. Touch what? 

[TrikeRadio]

22 minutes ago, K811 said:

Another reason I started this thread is that repeater in question publishes its call sign, via Morse code, where owner's name does not match listed postal address based on the public records. I was able to trivially find and talk to the owners of all other repeaters I can hear in my area, but not this one.

Just wondering why you are hell bent on finding out the address of the owner of an unlisted repeater that the owner obviously has not listed and probably uses for his own communication needs.

[WRCR724]

2 minutes ago, TrikeRadio said:

Excellent Typo there. Touch what? 

I guess you can tell what was on my mind while typing that. 

 

It's been fixed. 

[TrikeRadio]

1 minute ago, WRCR724 said:

It's been fixed. 

Ahh... bummer.