WRPF281 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Are businesses still allowed to use our GMRS channels for their operations? My channel 16 (White Dot) is used by a local business, during their working hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WROZ250 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Short Answer is, sadly, Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweiss3 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 GMRS? Only if they are a grandfathered license. Without any license, they are able to use FRS, which as you should know, overlaps on all 22 channels of GMRS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortex2 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Under 2 watts they don't need a license as stated with a FRS radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axorlov Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Channel 16 is 462.575 MHz, shared with FRS and legal to use for whatever by anyone, if done in accordance with FRS rules with FRS-certified handheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralCochrane Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 I was surprised at the number of grandfathered licenses in my area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, AdmiralCochrane said: I was surprised at the number of grandfathered licenses in my area I'm surprised the house keeping department at a close by mall has been operating without a license on GMRS, they have a repeater so there is no question they aren't operating under FRS rules, since 10/2015. It was never renewed from what I can see. If you look under the "ADMIN" tab in section "Special Conditions" you can see the repeater channel they were licensed to use at the time. I hear them on the radio at times, also the mall security has used it to contact the house keeping staff as well. FRN: 0002748242 Callsign: KAB1523 https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=194751 https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseAdminSum.jsp?licKey=194751 I wouldn't be shocked if there are other cases like this around the area. PACNWComms 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACNWComms Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 1:05 PM, Lscott said: I'm surprised the house keeping department at a close by mall has been operating without a license on GMRS I'm in the process of going through a similar audit for my local mall.....as the noise floor continues to go higher and higher. This was after a corporate user was found using FRS/GMRS Midland T70 radios, when licensed spectrum was being used by the previous license holder, instead of my corporate users, as they heard radio traffic on those radios and channels/frequencies. In many areas, it is common for end users to not know the status of their licenses, and continue to use the radios and system after a license has expired. Part of that is the lack of enforcement and compliance inspections, poor record keeping, lazy radio shop workers, and other factors. Lscott, Mikeam and AdmiralCochrane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamdaj Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 This reply maybe long overdue, but according FCC Rules and Regulations Channels 16, 18 and 20 are technically shared with Part 90 users. White Dot, Black Dot and Orange Dot. I would assume businesses who are licensed and occupy those channels have priority. Same goes for those businesses that were or currently using the MURS channels, such as WAL MART or Home Depot. Althugh, I dault the FCC renews licenses for those users, since the FCC created MURS back in 2000. I'm not too about those three GMRS channels, but I don't mind as long as both user of those channels respect one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAF6045 Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Adamdaj said: This reply maybe long overdue, but according FCC Rules and Regulations Channels 16, 18 and 20 are technically shared with Part 90 users. White Dot, Black Dot and Orange Dot. I would assume businesses who are licensed and occupy those channels have priority. Same goes for those businesses that were or currently using the MURS channels, such as WAL MART or Home Depot. Althugh, I dault the FCC renews licenses for those users, since the FCC created MURS back in 2000. I'm not too about those three GMRS channels, but I don't mind as long as both user of those channels respect one another. Per the table at https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-90#90.35 Quote 462.525 ......do IP, IW 462.53125 ......do 33 462.5375 ......do 2 462.7375 ......do 2 462.750 Base 29, 36 462.7625 Mobile 67, 86. 462.775 Base 29, 36. NONE of the GMRS frequencies are Part 90 allocations. GMRS main/repeater channels start at 462.550 and end at 462.725 -- the entire GMRS frequency band fits between the Part 90 462.5375 and 462.7375. However, grandfathered GMRS licenses (possessed by businesses) are allowed to be renewed -- but not modified; for the most part such grandfathered licenses are from the days when a GMRS license was good for -- at most -- two frequency pairs (repeater access). Business GMRS licenses probably only specified one frequency. Per Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_band (emphasis mine) Quote Although the term "business band" refers to several discrete frequencies that are not grouped into a single band, examples of some of the frequencies are grouped by band and listed below. These charts also list other frequencies not specifically part of the "business band" but commonly used by businesses. An individual license is still required under GMRS rules. A few manufacturers added these DOT frequencies to Business radios in the 1990s to have more "channels" and aid in selling radios. Part 90 (Business) and Part 95 (GMRS) frequencies are not interchangeable and are not to be used under the same guidelines. Each has different criteria for licensing. Part 95 GMRS frequencies are not "Itinerant", nor business band frequencies. Quote Frequency Name Notes 462.575 MHz White Dot GMRS 462.625 MHz Black Dot GMRS 462.675 MHz Orange Dot GMRS 464.500 MHz Brown Dot Itinerant 464.550 MHz Yellow Dot Itinerant 467.850 MHz Silver Star 467.875 MHz Gold Star 467.900 MHz Red Star 467.925 MHz Blue Star 469.500 MHz (Brown dpx) Itinerant 469.550 MHz (Yellow dpx) Itinerant AdmiralCochrane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralCochrane Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 More frequencies for my scanner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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