Permission for using gmrs call sign by those not in same household

[WSAE510]

I've read regarding to this and from what I'm told it's not legal for those not in the same household.  Not sure why people think it's OK it's not.  One family asked me if they could I told them that it wasn't allowed and it was stated by the fcc when I spoke to them. 

 

Not sure why people thinks they can but IMHO I don't believe that should be allowed 

[Hoppyjr]

You seem to be pretty obsessed with regulations and what other people do. I’m gonna find an old “Junior Trooper” sticker badge and send it to you.

Be sure you wear it whenever you wear your Radio Shack helmet, the one with the flashing red light on top.

…..but only when you’re taking enforcement action!


Edit: below from your Sept post. You called the FCC?!

Man, life is too short to be wound this tightly.

I recently reread the FCC rules regarding certain communications 
allowed. One example is that I gave a warning of a motorcycle  
accident. one person tried to tell me that it was a violation
of the FCC rules. as it would be, I read to them what it says and that 
I was in right plus I called the FCC to have them verify that I was in the right. 
FCC said that I actually prevented someone from arriving to a hazardous 
situation and to have them rerouted for safety
 
So this ruling of what I did was legal  

[SteveShannon]

18 minutes ago, WSAE510 said:

I've read regarding to this and from what I'm told it's not legal for those not in the same household.  Not sure why people think it's OK it's not.  One family asked me if they could I told them that it wasn't allowed and it was stated by the fcc when I spoke to them. 

 

Not sure why people thinks they can but IMHO I don't believe that should be allowed 

The regulations say nothing about being in the same household.  They simply say:

Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.

But they do require that the licensed individual retain control of his/her stations while being used by someone they have authorized.

[WSAE510]

7 minutes ago, Hoppyjr said:

You seem to be pretty obsessed with regulations and what other people do. I’m gonna find an old “Junior Trooper” sticker badge and send it to you.

Be sure you wear it whenever you wear your Radio Shack helmet, the one with the flashing red light on top.

…..but only when you’re taking enforcement action!


Edit: below from your Sept post. You called the FCC?!

Man, life is too short to be wound this tightly.
 

 

[WSAE510]

You don't tell me what to do 

[Hoppyjr]

You don't tell me what to do 

[WSAE510]

11 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

The regulations say nothing about being in the same household.  They simply say:

Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.

But they do require that the licensed individual retain control of his/her stations while being used by someone they have authorized.

Thanks for the help at least you're not rude happy new year 

[SteveShannon]

6 minutes ago, WSAE510 said:

Thanks for the help at least you're not rude happy new year 

Happy New Year to you as well.  Here’s a link to the regulations: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-E

 

 

[WRCR724]

On 12/31/2024 at 10:49 AM, WSAE510 said:

I've read regarding to this and from what I'm told it's not legal for those not in the same household.  Not sure why people think it's OK it's not.  One family asked me if they could I told them that it wasn't allowed and it was stated by the fcc when I spoke to them. 

 

Not sure why people thinks they can but IMHO I don't believe that should be allowed 

What you believe may not be what the regulations allow. 

"Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws."

 

If I had all those people living under one roof with me, I'd go nuts!

[RIPPER238]

On 12/31/2024 at 11:49 AM, WSAE510 said:

I've read regarding to this and from what I'm told it's not legal for those not in the same household.  Not sure why people think it's OK it's not.  One family asked me if they could I told them that it wasn't allowed and it was stated by the fcc when I spoke to them. 

 

Not sure why people thinks they can but IMHO I don't believe that should be allowed 

That's kinda odd to start a post like that. It's not the case at all, why state it like fact? What did the FCC say when you called them to make you think this? 

People buy non license required GMRS radios all the time, not a far stretch to allow family to use licensed GMRS users devices. Probably why they changed it to allowing.  

[RIPPER238]

On 12/31/2024 at 12:03 PM, SteveShannon said:

The regulations say nothing about being in the same household.  They simply say:

Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.

But they do require that the licensed individual retain control of his/her stations while being used by someone they have authorized.

What if its a portable radio? "Control of his/her stations" implies licensee would need to be with them. Hard to be 2+ places at the same time, could be many miles away from each other. 

[SteveShannon]

3 minutes ago, RIPPER238 said:

What if its a portable radio? "Control of his/her stations" implies licensee would need to be with them. Hard to be 2+ places at the same time, could be many miles away from each other. 

Here’s the actual text, but I think you’re reading too much into it.  The licensee can maintain control by verbally commanding a person:

(2) The licensee must maintain access to and control over all stations authorized under its license.

[RIPPER238]

10 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Here’s the actual text, but I think you’re reading too much into it.  The licensee can maintain control by verbally commanding a person:

 

(2) The licensee must maintain access to and control over all stations authorized under its license.

Definitely reading too much into it, following the sentiment of this thread, it is only GMRS in the end.  

[WRCR724]

What if....

What if...

What if....

What if... we don't play the "what if" game? 

 

[amaff]

1 minute ago, WRCR724 said:

What if....

What if...

What if....

What if... we don't play the "what if" game? 

 

My kids got in the habit of asking complete nonsense "what if" questions for fun.
We started replying with "OH MY GOD WHAT IF!?" in an extremely exaggerated way that quickly nipped that in the bud.

Which is pretty much my feeling about this thread. If you don't want people using your call sign don't let them. "You" (Royal You, not you WCR725) have no real control over what other people do in their lives anyway, nor should you, so...who cares if some schmoe down the road lets his neighbor use his callsign?

[OffRoaderX]

2 minutes ago, amaff said:

who cares if some schmoe down the road lets his neighbor use his callsign?

If i have learned anything from this forum it is that "some people" care! They care very, VERY much..  
Its sad, but it is true.

[RIPPER238]

41 minutes ago, WRCR724 said:

What if....

What if...

What if....

What if... we don't play the "what if" game? 

 

Many lives have been saved by the question "what if". lol

[WRCR724]

51 minutes ago, RIPPER238 said:

Many lives have been saved by the question "what if". lol

Yes, correct. 

But I doubt there's been many lives saved when playing "what if" when trying to determine who can use your GMRS license and where they can use it. 

[WQAI363]

According to what's being discussed here from my point of view. This Topic about who is and who isn't covered under one's GMRS call-sign seems to be a huge issue. According to the FCC, the Rules and Regulations shouldn't be that difficult. After all, the FCC did use the word "Relative". Of course, left out one or two title of relation, but it's safety assume that all of the family. We all know that Neighbors Co-workers or employees are NOT covered under a GMRS license.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 9 by WQAI363
Need To Corrections

[Davichko5650]

40 minutes ago, WQAI363 said:

 After all, the FCC did use the word "Relative". Of course, left out one or two title of relation, but it's safety assume that all of the family. 

 

They don't mention "relative(s)" in the regs.

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95.1705 (c) (2)

Any individual who holds an individual license may allow his or her immediate family members to operate his or her GMRS station or stations. Immediate family members are the licensee's spouse, children, grandchildren, stepchildren, parents, grandparents, stepparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, and in-laws.

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Only gray area I see in the above is how far down the line the "in-laws"  goes.  FiL/MiL  SiL/DiL ???  BiL's wife, my niece's husband? ?  legally not  in-laws for many things, but what does the FCC think?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hoppyjr]

[amaff]

2 hours ago, WQAI363 said:

 This Topic about who is and who isn't covered under one's GMRS call-sign seems to be a huge issue.

[WQAI363]

1 hour ago, Hoppyjr said:

 

Listen, I'm not trying to start an argument; I'm just stating a fact from what I've read in FCC part 95 E. Maybe I misread it, but I wasn't entirely wrong. Part 95 E Does grant family members of the licensee to use the license. Of course, I will admit that I'm not sure if the licensee must be on the radio at all times when family members are talking with other family members, but I assume that's fine. 

I do know whoever transmit must ID as normal with or without a unit number. 

 

[Hoppyjr]

 
Listen, I'm not trying to start an argument; I'm just stating a fact from what I've read in FCC part 95 E. Maybe I misread it, but I wasn't entirely wrong. Part 95 E Does grant family members of the licensee to use the license. Of course, I will admit that I'm not sure if the licensee must be on the radio at all times when family members are talking with other family members, but I assume that's fine. 
I do know whoever transmit must ID as normal with or without a unit number. 
 

It’s just that we’ve established that “family” and “control” are a bit ambiguous, so the best bet is to let common sense be your guide. It’s pretty clear that is the intent.

It definitely appears, from reading many posts on various topics, there are many people here who cannot manage without specific instructions and directions on how to live.

The bottom line is pretty clear:

- Use GMRS radios responsibly

- If you allow relatives / family members to use your call sign, you are responsible for their actions so make sure they know the rules

All the back and forth makes me wonder how some people survive daily life.

[WQAI363]

Right now, I feel like a Democratic Mascot, rambling on about non-sense. It' obvious, GMRS licensees are solely responsible for their family communications under their call-sign. I never said anything different, because that's not accurate. Of course, rules and regulations on Amateur Radio are more strict, due the fact an Amateur Radio License cannot be shared with others. If as an Amateur Radio Operator may allow a Relative or a Friend to talk on the radio, you as the licensee must present during the entire duration.  

 

Getting to GMRS t supervise family members while they're using the radio and IDing the proper intervals, but the licensees are solely responsible for how and what is said over the air.