Fixed Station vs Base Station?

[Radioguy7268]

A Fixed Station is one that's been repaired.

/s

[amaff]

13 hours ago, Radioguy7268 said:

A Fixed Station is one that's been repaired.

/s

I thought it was one that's been neutered

[WRKC935]

Wow, we doing THIS AGAIN?!?!?!!

Fixed stations are communicating with other fixed stations.  Linking aside.  If you have a repeater at a remote location, and a base station at your house, when you are talking on the REPEATER, that's fixed station operation.  If you go to a simplex channel and talk to a mobile or portable radio, then you are operating fixed BASE.  So ONE radio can operate in BOTH manners depending on how you are communicating.  The other situation is simplex between two base stations.  Both are 'fixed' or not mobile / portable. 

Reason for this is to NOT create unneeded interference on the frequency by operating at a power level above the minimum required to maintain reliable communications.  Repeaters and other base stations have added range due to their elevated antenna systems over a mobile or portable and of course have antenna's with more gain as well. 

This isn't anything new... commercial has had this same regulation for years.  The difference is in part 90 commercial they refer to the radio as a CONTROL STATION.  It's still a 'base radio'.  This is also how you get the maximum antenna height regulations for fixed base operations. 

[BoxCar]

11 hours ago, WRKC935 said:

Wow, we doing THIS AGAIN?!?!?!!

Fixed stations are communicating with other fixed stations.  Linking aside.  If you have a repeater at a remote location, and a base station at your house, when you are talking on the REPEATER, that's fixed station operation.  If you go to a simplex channel and talk to a mobile or portable radio, then you are operating fixed BASE.  So ONE radio can operate in BOTH manners depending on how you are communicating.  The other situation is simplex between two base stations.  Both are 'fixed' or not mobile / portable. 

Not quite, fixed stations are primarily used to pass DATA between two fixed locations i.e. flood monitoring stations and monitoring posts. "Base" stations are control sites which activate repeaters or fixed stations to report. Base stations are at either permanent or temporary locations and are used to pass both data and voice to other base stations or mobile stations either through repeaters or directly. This implies there are three classes of stations, fixed stations reporting to another, single, fixed station, control stations, which may serve as both control and base stations and mobile stations which have no permanent location.

[WRXL702]

4 hours ago, BoxCar said:

Not quite, fixed stations are primarily used to pass DATA between two fixed locations i.e. flood monitoring stations and monitoring posts. "Base" stations are control sites which activate repeaters or fixed stations to report. Base stations are at either permanent or temporary locations and are used to pass both data and voice to other base stations or mobile stations either through repeaters or directly. This implies there are three classes of stations, fixed stations reporting to another, single, fixed station, control stations, which may serve as both control and base stations and mobile stations which have no permanent location.

FCC Part 95 Subpart A - 95.303 Definitions:

Base station. A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Fixed station. A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.

The Term "DATA" Is Not Referenced In These Definitions For The Type Of Transmission.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-A

 

[BoxCar]

4 hours ago, BoxCar said:

Not quite, fixed stations are primarily used to pass DATA between two fixed locations i.e. flood monitoring stations and monitoring posts. "Base" stations are control sites which activate repeaters or fixed stations to report. Base stations are at either permanent or temporary locations and are used to pass both data and voice to other base stations or mobile stations either through repeaters or directly. This implies there are three classes of stations, fixed stations reporting to another, single, fixed station, control stations, which may serve as both control and base stations and mobile stations which have no permanent location.

 

33 minutes ago, WRXL702 said:

FCC Part 95 Subpart A - 95.303 Definitions:

Base station. A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Fixed station. A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.

The Term "DATA" Is Not Referenced In These Definitions For The Type Of Transmission.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-A

 

Notice, I stated the primary purpose is to pass data. I did not state a fixed station was data only nor reference nor imply that was their only use.

[WRUU653]

19 hours ago, WRKC935 said:

when you are talking on the REPEATER, that's fixed station operation

Fixed station. A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.
This statement would seem to indicate that a repeater is not a fixed station as it does not communicate with only fixed stations. Therefore talking to it is not the action of a fixed station. 

I will agree that this topic has been discussed for what seems an eternity. With some grasping the rules and others arguing the perceived vagueness. I would agree that for a radio service intended for friends and family the FCC could or should have written the rules for such. That said, all the debate is for what end I have no idea. Who is being affected negatively here? As Bill Murray stated in Meatballs it just doesn’t matter. 

[WRXL702]

2 hours ago, BoxCar said:

 

Notice, I stated the primary purpose is to pass data. I did not state a fixed station was data only nor reference nor imply that was their only use.

So - Stating "The Primary Purpose Is To Pass Data" Is an Opinion For The Use Of Fixed Stations, Not Reflected In Definitions In Part 95.303.

WRKC935, In My Opinion Has The Correct - Explanation / Examples Of Base Stations vs Fixed Stations......

[BoxCar]

1 minute ago, WRXL702 said:

So - Stating "The Primary Purpose Is To Pass Data" Is an Opinion For The Use Of Fixed Stations, Not Reflected In Definitions In Part 95.303.

WRKC935, In My Opinion Has The Correct - Explanation / Examples Of Base Stations vs Fixed Stations......

Actually, it is based on observation of processing many thousands of requests to the Commission for processing. l

[WRUU653]

7 minutes ago, WRXL702 said:

So - Stating "The Primary Purpose Is To Pass Data" Is an Opinion For The Use Of Fixed Stations,

No, it’s an example. 

[WRXL702]

4 minutes ago, WRUU653 said:

No, it’s an example. 

Then Folks Should Refrain On Commenting "Not Quite" If They Are Siting An "Example / Opinion" Of Documented FCC Definitions.....