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How dare you accuse me of thinking!? Have you read my posts?

You right, no one should care whether a person uses Ten Codes or Q Codes on Amateur Radio or GMRS to aid in relaying information. After all, everyone should be entitled to say what they want, as long as it's profanity.

Ha ha I think you are overthinking it. Just use the common 10 codes and you will be fine. No one is going to throw you in jail for using 10 codes. GMRS is very laid back. We aren't police officers acting official when on the radio. Whenever I am listening to GMRS repeaters or happen to use one with my wife, it sounds no different than a couple Hams having a conversation on a repeater. You seriously cannot tell the difference aside from a 10 code being thrown out here or there. I know at least in my area, the most I will hear is 10-4. The point that you run into an issue is when you sound like you are running covert military op's and you sound like you are up to no good and maybe possibly, something really bad happens in the area where you happen to be and someone ties your communications together with an incident, then you will have an issue. If you use the common 10 codes, you will be perfectly fine.

It seems someone always wants to change GMRS. Other ideas I don’t think would work… painting two lanes for cars but trucks get there own overlapping lane to drive down the middle… yeah but it’s more lanes and cars can fit there, doesn’t it sound great??

I don't know about the rest of you, but here in SoCal, we have a repeater at almost 6,000 feet that sits unused the vast majority of the time, in addition to others that are not used a lot. The traffic I hear even on simplex as I drive 50 miles a day commuting is pretty sparse, mostly preschools, restaurants, Covid shot clinics, that kind of thing, on FRS. I'm not sure why we would want to introduce digital to GMRS. All it would do is run up the price of radios and overcomplicate things. In my humble opinion, people get into GMRS because it's cheap, reliable, and doesn't require a test.

4K0 dPMR is definitely much easier to fit in. Even having several high elevation repeaters, I would not have any issue with 4K0 stations 12.5 kHz away from my inputs. Even high power mobiles. I likely get more interference from the narrowband analog radios there now, especially when they are within a few miles of the repeater. The commercial frequency coordination standards originally allowed new 4K0 stations to be installed 12.5 kHz away from 20K0 (or like you mention 16K0) without getting any approval from the wideband users - even at the same repeater site. So this is well established. But that was also with tighter frequency stability standards. Maybe this is the first step to obtain acceptance of digital modes.

I wouldn’t say that, you definitely added to the ball moving in the right direction, I couldn’t find anything on this at all. Your info with Steve’s eye for detail could be a win for OP?

I must admit I started to ask another question and then decided I should read that pdf first @Lscott, I found it to be informative. Thanks.

I’ll chime in here. What would likely be done is a mixed mode repeater. It auto detects the mode in use. That would still preserve the analog user’s ability to continue to use their equipment. I would DEFINITELY not recommend installing a digital only repeater. Of course the tiny sticking point is getting the FCC to change the rules to allow ANY digital voice mode on GMRS. And I do have some thoughts on that. GMRS Digital Voice - 20221011.pdf

Was her name Karen?

Not necessarily. The key is how it’s done and what digital mode. While I like DMR I don’t think it’s a good candidate to use on GMRS. I believe there are a couple of better choices. As a few other posts have pointed out the principle issues are the existing base of analog radios and just where do you locate the digital channels where they would result in the least interference to analog operations.

Pictures always help. In this blown up shot of your previous image it appears that you have one white and one gray. You also have one shield wire which has no insulation.

You know what Dirty Harry said about opinions? ? But seriously as Steve mentioned the regulations are clear. As for emergencies I remember seeing something on tv when I was young it went like this… “if this had been an actual emergency you would have been blown clean out of the room”?

This is close to how things are here north of you. We have a few really good repeaters with some new ones added recently. It’s not saturated but spread out giving better coverage which is nice. It’s still fairly quiet though. Some FRS construction workers, Kids on lower FRS channels (they’re having fun), preschool workers, people vacation traveling… but relatively quiet especially on the repeaters. Most traffic is still on ham. Something for everyone.

I took the screws out of the plug end and separated the assembly enough to see the wire colors and what I got was inconclusive because it looks like there are two whites. Those may have stripes but I just couldn't see. Anyway: 1 - White 2 - Red 3 - Blue 4 - Green 5 - White * 6 - Yellow 7 - Couldn't see the insulation 8 (Center pin) - Couldn't see the color * Could see white but couldn't tell if there was a stripe

While it sounds like a good idea, with GMRS being unregulated when it comes to setting up repeaters, it would, in some areas cause bad problems. GMRS would have to turn all digital or stay all analog. With the amount of bubble pack radios out there doing analog, it wouldn't make sense to have it change to DMR. In my area alone, we are maxed out on GMRS repeaters when it comes to the 8 pairs, which rarely get used. The majority of the communications you hear are businesses and schools on the bubble pack radios. Adding DMR to that would cause a real issue. I am not against DMR. It is the only digital voice mode I use on Ham Radio and I absolutely love it. For the GMRS application, if DMR were to be introduced as the sole means of communication, that would have had to have happened back before they flooded the market with bubble pack radios. Back in the day where GMRS was GMRS and FRS didn't exist. I think what the FCC should do is find a set of frequencies near GMRS and give us another 8 just for DMR. With everyone abandoning the VHF and UHF lower portions of the bands to get on 800 MHz and also with the FirstNet network, there are going to be a lot of empty frequencies across the nation. The VHF low band is a good example. For $35 a license, I think they can spare some. DMR is a good idea when it comes to utilizing bandwidth, plus, you can add networks to it. But, like many will say, that is what you have Ham Radio for. While that is true, I think more people would utilize radio if they could have that element of Ham Radio, but without having to take a test.

Nor regulate it.

In an emergency situation codes could be detrimental. This is a particular concern when trying to relay information between services. For example a person switching operation between let’s say a GMRS radio and a public service radio. Different services, and even on the same one, the codes could be dissimilar between departments. Getting the codes mixed up resulting in delayed or missed directed resources has very serious consequences. Plain language avoids the confusion.

I guess you can’t fix stupid.

Well, they’re only $25 and if you use the new one to figure out the connections you’ll have a spare. Good luck!

Why not just take the test for amateur radio if you want to do as there are plenty of dmr repeaters. I'll stick to my p25 radios. Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk

I just noticed what the autocorrect did to the title of this topic. Deployable, not deplorable. Sheesh.

The issue from what I have heard is people use the same frequency and tone as the repeater then when someone gets on the repeater they get yelled at for it. But yes if you had a decent base radio you could get some distance even simplex. Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk