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Picked up the KG 1000G Plus to use as my base station to complement the repeater I have at my shop.  The repeater makes it fine into the house but sometimes the house has a hard time getting through the trees to the shop repeater.  Going from 20 to 50 watts is only a bit more than 3dB, but it seems to work from the repeater to the house.
I had already setup the CPS with my channels and only needed to read the radio and write back.  The CPS doesn't cover the A,B,C,D buttons so I'll have to do those manually.  Like the power button in that you don't need a long press to turn it on.  People complain about the screen brightness.  Not exactly screaming bright, but it's in a lighted shop and not in a dark vehicle.  Since I already have a KG XS20G I'm already pretty familiar in the way it should work.
Wife doesn't know yet.  I'll probably install it after she goes to bed and she'll see the new radio when she gets up.  LOL.  Hoping it might get rid of some of the off center DMR that I have in my area.  The XS20G lets it right through with the SOC receiver.  Hoping the Super Het might limit or eliminate it.
 

Exactly!  The rules limit certain aspects of the use, but leave it up to us to imagine how we might benefit from it.  

The regulations tell us exactly what is required of a Fixed Station and what a Fixed Station may do. They just don’t provide an example of how it might be used, and that’s good, because it leaves it up to the imagination of the user. 
1. A Fixed Stations may only communicate with other Fixed Stations. The regulations do not limit it to just one other Fixed Station. This implies a connection to a dedicated system, such as telemetry or part of an intercom system, where the Fixed Stations have a single purpose.
2. A Fixed Station is limited to 15 watts. This makes sense for a system of dedicated radios in fixed locations where the distances and directions never change, such as two or more points in an intercom or telemetry system. It also reduces the likelihood of interference with other stations, especially if a person uses high gain directional antennas, such as parabolic dishes or Yagi antennas.
3. Fixed Stations may transmit on both the 467 MHz and 462 MHz main channels.  Although simplex isn’t prohibited, this unique carve-out in the regulations makes it possible to operate full duplex between two Fixed Stations, transmitting and receiving simultaneously, which allows for very natural speech on an intercom system and is ideal for transmitting data and controls on a telemetry or SCADA system.
So, for a family business (or a business which has a grandfathered license that covers their employees) Fixed Stations could be used for a wireless intercom. A farmer could use Fixed Stations to turn irrigation systems on or off several miles away. 
 
With the exception of the ability to operate in full duplex, which is made possible by being granted access to the 467 MHz main channels, all of these examples could be done as well or better with portable, mobile, or base stations. But for a system which is dedicated to a particular purpose between two or more fixed locations, such as telemetry or an intercom, where full duplex would a distinct advantage, using Fixed Stations would be a reasonable solution.

BINGO

As has been stated many times on this forum, it's all about how the transmitter is being used. Two stationary units only exchange signals between themselves. They are not used to contact repeaters or mobile stations nor; do they contact other base stations that communicate to either other base or mobile stations. Perhaps the best example of a fixed station communicating to another fixed station are microwave links. they don't contact repeaters or any mobile or other base stations. they only talk to one other station at a fixed location.

I have tried to explain this before, at least the way I understand it... the station type is defined by its use.  This is why you never ask cops for advice.  You need to consult lawyers and judges.
 
The rule very specifically says that a base station is a station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.  Therefore, the act of using a station to communicate through a repeater changes the 'station type' to a Control station.   A Control station is a station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
 
So, using a radio at your home to communicate through a repeater is not a rule violation.
 
The only defined hardware type is a Mobile radio, with handheld radios being a sub-type, with the definitions as follows:
Mobile station.   A station, intended to be used while in motion or during halts at unspecified locations, that communicates directly with base stations and other mobile stations, and with control stations and other mobile stations through repeater stations.
Hand-held portable unit.   A physically small mobile station that can be operated while being held in the operator's hand.
 
 
All other references are to station types, which are defined by how they are used... for example:
Base station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Control station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
Fixed station.   A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.
Personal Radio Services station.   Any transmitter, with or without an incorporated antenna or receiver, which is certified by the FCC to be operated in one or more of the Personal Radio Services.
Repeater station.   A station in a fixed location used to extend the communications range of mobile stations, hand-held portable units and control stations by receiving their signals on one channel (the input channel) and simultaneously retransmitting these signals on another channel (the output channel), typically with higher transmitting power from a favorable antenna location (typically high above the surrounding terrain).
 
 
You will notice that even a repeater is defined by the job it does, rather than physical characteristics.  That is because you can easily build a repeater with 2 mobile radios, as an example.

DB20-G, GMRS mode, with ch. 39 programmed for simplex, ch 39 can be programmed from the mic for 467 mains with or without tone

If you are a non mobile station that communicates with another non mobile station that is a fixed station.  As soon as that fixed station communicates with a mobile unit it becomes a base station in definition.  And as soon as that same fixed/base station communicates with a repeater it is by definition a control station.
The only one that seems to have limitations is when you operate a fixed to fixed station where you can't exceed 15 watts.  Sounds like a specialty unit that has an antenna pointed at another antenna to communicate specifically with that station.  Most likely LOS on towers so 15 watts would be more than adequate to maintain good quality communications.

And since repeaters and HTs aren’t listed my mobile mounted in the house isn’t a base station. Rather it is a mobile at rest. 👋😀👍

Zero pressure from me... I just hope its a useful tool for you.

I have tried to explain this before, at least the way I understand it... the station type is defined by its use.  This is why you never ask cops for advice.  You need to consult lawyers and judges.
 
The rule very specifically says that a base station is a station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.  Therefore, the act of using a station to communicate through a repeater changes the 'station type' to a Control station.   A Control station is a station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
 
So, using a radio at your home to communicate through a repeater is not a rule violation.
 
The only defined hardware type is a Mobile radio, with handheld radios being a sub-type, with the definitions as follows:
Mobile station.   A station, intended to be used while in motion or during halts at unspecified locations, that communicates directly with base stations and other mobile stations, and with control stations and other mobile stations through repeater stations.
Hand-held portable unit.   A physically small mobile station that can be operated while being held in the operator's hand.
 
 
All other references are to station types, which are defined by how they are used... for example:
Base station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Control station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
Fixed station.   A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.
Personal Radio Services station.   Any transmitter, with or without an incorporated antenna or receiver, which is certified by the FCC to be operated in one or more of the Personal Radio Services.
Repeater station.   A station in a fixed location used to extend the communications range of mobile stations, hand-held portable units and control stations by receiving their signals on one channel (the input channel) and simultaneously retransmitting these signals on another channel (the output channel), typically with higher transmitting power from a favorable antenna location (typically high above the surrounding terrain).
 
 
You will notice that even a repeater is defined by the job it does, rather than physical characteristics.  That is because you can easily build a repeater with 2 mobile radios, as an example.

Too late... you're committed now!

I have tried to explain this before, at least the way I understand it... the station type is defined by its use.  This is why you never ask cops for advice.  You need to consult lawyers and judges.
 
The rule very specifically says that a base station is a station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.  Therefore, the act of using a station to communicate through a repeater changes the 'station type' to a Control station.   A Control station is a station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
 
So, using a radio at your home to communicate through a repeater is not a rule violation.
 
The only defined hardware type is a Mobile radio, with handheld radios being a sub-type, with the definitions as follows:
Mobile station.   A station, intended to be used while in motion or during halts at unspecified locations, that communicates directly with base stations and other mobile stations, and with control stations and other mobile stations through repeater stations.
Hand-held portable unit.   A physically small mobile station that can be operated while being held in the operator's hand.
 
 
All other references are to station types, which are defined by how they are used... for example:
Base station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Control station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
Fixed station.   A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.
Personal Radio Services station.   Any transmitter, with or without an incorporated antenna or receiver, which is certified by the FCC to be operated in one or more of the Personal Radio Services.
Repeater station.   A station in a fixed location used to extend the communications range of mobile stations, hand-held portable units and control stations by receiving their signals on one channel (the input channel) and simultaneously retransmitting these signals on another channel (the output channel), typically with higher transmitting power from a favorable antenna location (typically high above the surrounding terrain).
 
 
You will notice that even a repeater is defined by the job it does, rather than physical characteristics.  That is because you can easily build a repeater with 2 mobile radios, as an example.

Related: Is there a IGNORE THREAD option?

I have tried to explain this before, at least the way I understand it... the station type is defined by its use.  This is why you never ask cops for advice.  You need to consult lawyers and judges.
 
The rule very specifically says that a base station is a station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.  Therefore, the act of using a station to communicate through a repeater changes the 'station type' to a Control station.   A Control station is a station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
 
So, using a radio at your home to communicate through a repeater is not a rule violation.
 
The only defined hardware type is a Mobile radio, with handheld radios being a sub-type, with the definitions as follows:
Mobile station.   A station, intended to be used while in motion or during halts at unspecified locations, that communicates directly with base stations and other mobile stations, and with control stations and other mobile stations through repeater stations.
Hand-held portable unit.   A physically small mobile station that can be operated while being held in the operator's hand.
 
 
All other references are to station types, which are defined by how they are used... for example:
Base station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates directly with mobile stations and other base stations.
Control station.   A station at a fixed location that communicates with mobile stations and other control stations through repeater stations, and may also be used to control the operation of repeater stations.
Fixed station.   A station at a fixed location that directly communicates with other fixed stations only.
Personal Radio Services station.   Any transmitter, with or without an incorporated antenna or receiver, which is certified by the FCC to be operated in one or more of the Personal Radio Services.
Repeater station.   A station in a fixed location used to extend the communications range of mobile stations, hand-held portable units and control stations by receiving their signals on one channel (the input channel) and simultaneously retransmitting these signals on another channel (the output channel), typically with higher transmitting power from a favorable antenna location (typically high above the surrounding terrain).
 
 
You will notice that even a repeater is defined by the job it does, rather than physical characteristics.  That is because you can easily build a repeater with 2 mobile radios, as an example.

Oh, he's just trying to start another argument with me. 
I swear if I said he was intelligent and handsome he would figure out a way to protest the statement.  But he ain't and and I wouldn't, so we will miss at least THAT discussion.

All regulatory agencies interpret their rules to their favor, from the ATF to the other end of the list. FCC is no different. Unlike some of the other agencies they don’t seem to enforce their interpretations very often. 
I have no idea how you reached such a conclusion, and it’s not worthwhile trying. I’m glad they post both the rules and the regulations 😉. I even agree with many of their interpretations.

Bickering implies that a counter position is taken because I care about the other persons opinion and how it reflects on me and my initial position.... which definitely is not the case. LoL
 
/wordsalad

"some people" are so funny, all trying to prove who's smarter over something that does not matter in any way - The FCC doesn't even care.

"some people" should bicker over something that actually matters.

^^^  This!  Exactly this!
 
There is nothing in the rules that explains 'why' the rule is what it is.  There are several conflicting parts and sub-parts, that I have pointed out in the past, that support that 'linking' as a whole is not prohibited.  Only a specific method is prohibited.  Whatever is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
 
The truth is, I may retire this year.  If I do, my time would be freed up enough to stand-up a linked repeater network and then wait to see if the FCC is up to a lively debate in Federal court.  I don't know if I will, but the opportunity would exist and lately I am feeling kinda spicy about government overreach.
 
Don't get me wrong.  I have no personal animosity toward anyone in the FCC for simply trying to do their job and I have no intent on purposefully and intentionally violating any federal laws or rules... but we need a court case to settle the debate.  All I have seen from everyone, including the FCC staff, is conjecture and opinion based on something that is NOT written, implicitly nor implied. 

^^^  This!  Exactly this!
 
There is nothing in the rules that explains 'why' the rule is what it is.  There are several conflicting parts and sub-parts, that I have pointed out in the past, that support that 'linking' as a whole is not prohibited.  Only a specific method is prohibited.  Whatever is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
 
The truth is, I may retire this year.  If I do, my time would be freed up enough to stand-up a linked repeater network and then wait to see if the FCC is up to a lively debate in Federal court.  I don't know if I will, but the opportunity would exist and lately I am feeling kinda spicy about government overreach.
 
Don't get me wrong.  I have no personal animosity toward anyone in the FCC for simply trying to do their job and I have no intent on purposefully and intentionally violating any federal laws or rules... but we need a court case to settle the debate.  All I have seen from everyone, including the FCC staff, is conjecture and opinion based on something that is NOT written, implicitly nor implied. 

^^^  This!  Exactly this!
 
There is nothing in the rules that explains 'why' the rule is what it is.  There are several conflicting parts and sub-parts, that I have pointed out in the past, that support that 'linking' as a whole is not prohibited.  Only a specific method is prohibited.  Whatever is not expressly prohibited is allowed.
 
The truth is, I may retire this year.  If I do, my time would be freed up enough to stand-up a linked repeater network and then wait to see if the FCC is up to a lively debate in Federal court.  I don't know if I will, but the opportunity would exist and lately I am feeling kinda spicy about government overreach.
 
Don't get me wrong.  I have no personal animosity toward anyone in the FCC for simply trying to do their job and I have no intent on purposefully and intentionally violating any federal laws or rules... but we need a court case to settle the debate.  All I have seen from everyone, including the FCC staff, is conjecture and opinion based on something that is NOT written, implicitly nor implied. 

Although I am not a fan of linking, what you quoted is not the written rule.  That’s the FCC interpretation of the written rules.  It does reference the actual rules it interprets (95.1733 and 95.1749) however. 

Once again, if he weren't being an ass and interfering with official operations, he would have never come to the attention of the FCC and they would have never known what kind of radio he was using. Don't be an idiot.

I thought it was one that's been neutered 🤔