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That is correct, but ChatGPT goes on to say: However, it's worth noting that the FCC allows dual-use radios, like the Baofeng UV-5R, to be used for both HAM and GMRS services under certain conditions. If an operator holds valid licenses for both HAM and GMRS, they can use a dual-use radio like the UV-5R on the appropriate frequencies for each service. In such cases, the operator must ensure compliance with the specific operating rules and power limitations for each service.

I think its fair to verify why things are the way they are. Shouldn't we be helping each other? When something doesn't make sense, asking questions is good, no?

Here is a conversation I just had with ChatGPT about the UV-5R, and dual use radios. As we all know, the UV-5R is identical with the UV-5G. ChatGPT also knows this, and knows about the GMRS version of the UV-5R and has an interesting take on what the FCC actually allows. I was asking about using GMRS, HAM, and so on and what radio could be used with what service. Here are snippets from the conversation (ChatGPT it is quite verbose). ------------------------------------------ Why then is the Baofeng UV-5R radio certified for both HAM and GMRS radio services? While the Baofeng UV-5R is certified for Part 90 use, it does not have separate certification specifically for GMRS. The FCC requires GMRS radios to meet certain technical requirements and be certified specifically for GMRS use. GMRS radios that are properly certified will display a GMRS certification logo or label on the radio. However, it's worth noting that the FCC allows dual-use radios, like the Baofeng UV-5R, to be used for both HAM and GMRS services under certain conditions. If an operator holds valid licenses for both HAM and GMRS, they can use a dual-use radio like the UV-5R on the appropriate frequencies for each service. In such cases, the operator must ensure compliance with the specific operating rules and power limitations for each service. I have a license for both HAM and GMRS frequencies. So, its good to hear I can use one radio, the UV-5R, for both services. Its hard to carry two different radios. If you hold valid licenses for both HAM and GMRS frequencies, you have the authorization to use a dual-use radio like the Baofeng UV-5R for both services. Having a single radio that can operate on both HAM and GMRS frequencies can certainly be convenient, as it eliminates the need to carry multiple radios. Just make sure to adhere to the specific operating rules, power limits, and frequency allocations for each service. Familiarize yourself with the regulations for both HAM and GMRS services to ensure that you operate within the authorized parameters. This includes using the UV-5R on the appropriate frequencies for each service and observing any other relevant requirements. It's great to hear that the information has been helpful to you. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! ------------------------------------------ There you go folks. A super computer has answered our questions about gray areas in the confusing and contorted FCC rule arena. This is why no one ever has been fined or penalized for using a UV-5R for both GMRS and HAM bands. How long has this radio been out? A decade? Makes me wonder, is the gem here that the radio needs to be a Part 90 device? Is this also why so many GMRS repeater admins are using the Motorola XPR series for their personal radios?

The KG-UV9GX is a nice radio. I liked it much better than the FT3D.

ChatGPT just answered a question about the Baofeng UV-5R this way:

It does appear to be legit. You'd be better off spending $5,000 on a radio, however. Hard to recommend a $30 radio when there are $5,000 and even $8,000 high quality radios out there that will work better.

My biggest issue with DMR is the sound. This is subjective of course, but everyone sounds like a robot. Would prefer a digital mode that is merely cleaned up analog, high audio fidelity.

And still going!!!

I was very impressed with the KG-UV9PX

There is a GMRS version of the UV-5R. The firmware is setup differently to meet specifications.

Maybe it would propagate too far? Every MURS station on the ground for miles could hear the traffic. Interesting restriction.

If this helps, my experience with the UV-5R in memory mode, is that a quick press of # temporarily changes the power level. Moving away, and then coming back to the memory channel reverts to the stored power level. To permanently changed a stored power level requires recreating the memory channel (delete it or overwrite it the location).

Good points. That's why an XPR-4550 (VXD-7200) for GMRS and new Yaesu models get recommended. A crummy UV-5G for GMRS is hardly a good thing.

Okay. I was just saying that if you had an SDR you could see the width it was taking up graphically. I think its 20k on that radio, but I can't confirm.

Wide = 25k Middle = 20k Narrow = 12.5k Test on an SDR GUI to confirm.

Which specific frequencies are you working with?

I have permissions for Amateur/GMRS/MURS and I wish to exercise my permissions. This would mean three mobile radios in the truck, and another three on my person. This is a total waste of space and resources. Humorously (disturbingly), the hardware is often identical!

Facts where linked and verified. Rosa did not have permission (implied) under a condition.

When rules are amoral, they deserve push back. Think people, use your brain. Its okay to think. You were challenged with the idea that "rule following" has a danger. There is a danger with Part 95E style thinking. Not anywhere to the same level as Rosa Parks, and that was not the point. But you are not a 5yr old, you can handle a comparative thought process.

Hams love their chains. Haha. Its really interesting, if it does not make sense, they flock to it like moths to a flame. If the ruling body slaps them in the face, they cry for more! What's it called when the abused fall in love with their captors? Hams.

Rosa Parks did not have permission to sit in the bus's front row seats. Was she wrong to knowingly violate the rules? Had you been there, would you have sided with those against her? Would you have created a Public Service announcement cautioning all the "colored" people like her? Sometimes, a law is so invalid, so egregious, and so unenforceable that it defies logic why it even exits. While using a properly configured Ham radio on 462.550 is less of a moral correction, a correction none the less it is. Thank you GMRS community for your support.

Well said WRXD372. I appreciate everyone chiming in. I'm going to go and enjoy the holiday now. Thanks everyone.

Randy, you absolutely need to get your ham ticket! Then maybe you could use your public platform to help fix things in the industry. It has languished for so many years in stifling regulation, poor user experiences, confusingly laid-out hardware & software, and archaic rules that don't help new or established groups to communicate. Come on in Randy! The water is boiling!

Yeah, I probably should have phrased everything better. I'm in the process of buying radios and got fuming mad at all this. "The rules state that you can't wear blue socks on Tuesdays. Says so right here." It is just so silly.

I was calling myself grandpa. Its okay, we are not against you.