SteveShannon Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 I wanted to double check to see what size wire this was in AWG. The wire is marked 2.00 mm squared, which is very close to 14 AWG according to actual reference materials. But our soon to be AI overlords generated an overview that makes no sense. For those of you who don’t know, wire guages decrease as the diameter and thus the area increases: WRXB215, Delta4N6, WRUU653 and 3 others 4 2 Quote
LeoG Posted November 12, 2025 Posted November 12, 2025 I've seen it make simple 3rd grade addition mistakes. SteveShannon, marcspaz and AdmiralCochrane 3 Quote
WRTC928 Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 Oh, great! I live out in the country where I already have to worry about rabid skunks, copperheads, and the dogman trying to kill me. Now I have to worry about AI as well. NCJeb 1 Quote
SteveShannon Posted November 13, 2025 Author Posted November 13, 2025 18 minutes ago, WRTC928 said: Oh, great! I live out in the country where I already have to worry about rabid skunks, copperheads, and the dogman trying to kill me. Now I have to worry about AI as well. Did you not see the greatest documentary ever to be made? https://youtu.be/51z0Vwhup3c?si=pihukc8Owr6CjsVo WRUU653, Davichko5650, hxpx and 2 others 1 4 Quote
WRUU653 Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 1 hour ago, WRTC928 said: Oh, great! I live out in the country where I already have to worry about rabid skunks, copperheads, and the dogman trying to kill me. Now I have to worry about AI as well. Simply tell them you are not the droids they are looking for... WRTC928, WRXB215, SteveShannon and 2 others 5 Quote
thorjansen Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 4 hours ago, LeoG said: I've seen it make simple 3rd grade addition mistakes. I hate AI so much, all it does is digest everything in sight and spits the same crap back out at you, not knowing if it's true or not (it's not capable, yet). And they hallucinate and lie to you as well. A closed, self-regenerating loop. And the data centers they're building eat up so much electricity and fresh water (for cooling hot electronics) that they're driving the cost of these two for everyone. SteveShannon, PRadio and AdmiralCochrane 3 Quote
WRUE951 Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 was watching the news eariler today on a story of pennies coming out of circulation. The commentator showed a copy of his Google search ‘how many dollars in pennies are in circulation’. Google AI answered there are 250 Billion pennies in circulation with a net value of 250 Billion Dollars. When i watched this i did a search and got the same answer. Just now i searched to post here but they have corrected theier mistake to 2.5 Billion. SteveShannon and WRUU653 2 Quote
marcspaz Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 I really despise AI. Being in IT, it is being jammed down my throat as the best ever... but I have to correct the AI results more often than not. As far as I can tell, the only thing AI has accomplished is make it so I never ever trust any audio or video recording I see... ever... for the rest of my life. WSEZ864, Sab02r, SteveShannon and 11 others 14 Quote
hxpx Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 14 minutes ago, marcspaz said: I really despise AI. Being in IT, it is being jammed down my throat as the best ever... but I have to correct the AI results more often than not. I have had that conversation several times with my boss (who is a good Business Guy but not a Technical Guy) before he stopped asking about it. All the models I've tried produced great looking code... with functions that didn't exist or didn't work like the code wanted them to if the problem was even moderately complex. It was okay for generating API specs, but given how much refactoring I had to do to make some assets reusable, it would've been faster to run a few JSON examples through a converter and write the rest of the spec by hand. Might be useful some day, but today is not that day. SteveShannon, amaff, WRUU653 and 1 other 3 1 Quote
AdmiralCochrane Posted November 13, 2025 Posted November 13, 2025 19 hours ago, hxpx said: Might be useful some day, but today is not that day. I've been saying that from the beginning. Sad Beta versions foisted on the public and hailed as the greatest thing since the commercial bread slicer. SteveShannon 1 Quote
WRXB215 Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 @marcspaz how did you nail it so perfectly? Did you use AI? SteveShannon, WRTC928, WRUU653 and 1 other 4 Quote
marcspaz Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 This tells you everything you need to know... PRadio, amaff, WRUU653 and 1 other 2 2 Quote
LeoG Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 Don't antagonize the Ai WRTC928, marcspaz, SteveShannon and 1 other 4 Quote
dosw Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 It's called confabulation. It's more popularly referred to as AI hallucinations, but apparently confabulation more accurately describes how AI kind of fills in the gaps in what it can calculate with made up filler, which often misses the nuances. It will get better over time, but you don't have to look far to find examples that are annoying at best and dangerous at worst. The other day I asked AI what rounding strategies are commonly used for cash transactions in the absence of the penny. Gemini told me that rounding to the nearest .00 or .05 is the most common, and then spelled it out: .01 and .02 would become .00. .03 and .04 would become .05. And .05 through .07 would remain unchanged. .08 and .09 would round up to .10. I called out that .06 and .07 cannot remain unchanged, and it gave that familiar, "Nice catch! You're absolutely right!" PRadio and SteveShannon 1 1 Quote
marcspaz Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 5 minutes ago, dosw said: and it gave that familiar, "Nice catch! You're absolutely right!" Yup! The end of humanity will be caused by an AI rounding error. LOL J/K... maybe... I hope. PRadio, AdmiralCochrane and SteveShannon 3 Quote
Davichko5650 Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 17 hours ago, AdmiralCochrane said: I've been saying that from the beginning. Sad Beta versions foisted on the public and hailed as the greatest thing since the commercial bread slicer. We (well not me as this predates me somewhat) lived just fine until 1928 without that commercial bread slicer! And I can get along just fine without AI. I should add I learned this well before Google or AI came along as My dad was born in the same year and proudly claimed that he was the greatest thing just before sliced bread! SteveShannon 1 Quote
PACNWComms Posted November 14, 2025 Posted November 14, 2025 Until I have a radio tech robot that looks like Kristanna Loken or Summer Glau, I am not worried about AI. When that happens, AI should worry about me and others with like mindsets, we will break it. My inbox has had many question about AI taking over radio and associated infrastructure maintenance......like many trades, AI can't program aliases into a radio and then add it to Provisioning Manager, let alone rack and stack repeaters and install antennas. Some automation has helps with quick programming changes, adding TalkGroups for special events, and letting you know when a subscriber unit is getting close to being, or already is out of tolerance (which is often set by a person with a GROL and experience behind them). AI figuring out wire sizes, and messing it up....trash in = trash out. SteveShannon 1 Quote
LeoG Posted November 15, 2025 Posted November 15, 2025 8 hours ago, dosw said: It's called confabulation. It's more popularly referred to as AI hallucinations, but apparently confabulation more accurately describes how AI kind of fills in the gaps in what it can calculate with made up filler, which often misses the nuances. It will get better over time, but you don't have to look far to find examples that are annoying at best and dangerous at worst. The other day I asked AI what rounding strategies are commonly used for cash transactions in the absence of the penny. Gemini told me that rounding to the nearest .00 or .05 is the most common, and then spelled it out: .01 and .02 would become .00. .03 and .04 would become .05. And .05 through .07 would remain unchanged. .08 and .09 would round up to .10. I called out that .06 and .07 cannot remain unchanged, and it gave that familiar, "Nice catch! You're absolutely right!" Except that retail will be rounding up period. Come out to 10.01 and they'll charge you 10.05. Quote
HHD1 Posted November 20, 2025 Posted November 20, 2025 On 11/14/2025 at 6:06 PM, LeoG said: Except that retail will be rounding up period. Come out to 10.01 and they'll charge you 10.05. The Kwik Trip convenience stores around here have been rounding down. SteveShannon and marcspaz 2 Quote
PRadio Posted November 21, 2025 Posted November 21, 2025 On 11/20/2025 at 11:41 AM, HHD1 said: The Kwik Trip convenience stores around here have been rounding down. That is pretty much what I have seen by every retailer that has shared their pricing strategy that will follow the end of the penny. They simply follow generally accepted accounting procedures. SteveShannon 1 Quote
Davichko5650 Posted November 21, 2025 Posted November 21, 2025 14 minutes ago, PRadio said: That is pretty much what I have seen by every retailer that has shared their pricing strategy that will follow the end of the penny. They simply follow generally accepted accounting procedures. GAAP and FASB - used to live by those, and the IRC! SteveShannon and PRadio 2 Quote
AdmiralCochrane Posted November 21, 2025 Posted November 21, 2025 Last time I worked in retail was 50+ years ago in a convenience store. Even when we rounded down, we were getting the best of the customer. PRadio and SteveShannon 2 Quote
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