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30 minutes ago, pcradio said:

Heading (a) refers to a Station. Heading (9) expands on that.

What this means, in practicality, is that if you operate a GMRS station (you have a license to do so), then the equipment and area you operate this station from (vehicle, on person, or shack) must not be used to contact an Amateur station.

If you also have an Amateur station (and license), the GMRS station supersedes that, and you must not communicate from within the GMRS station to an Amateur station. You will need a separate Amateur station in another vehicle, separate room in your home, etc.

I come to these forums so that I make sure I'm in compliance. The FCC regulations are clear, buy more stuff because it makes more sense.

The section of the rules quoted refers to over the air communications. It's very common to have multiple sets of radios grouped together which operate on different radios services. It makes no difference on the location or proximity of the equipment. It's not uncommon to find Ham, GMRS, FRS, CB, police, fire etc. radios all in one location. The communications are maned by people with the appropriate licenses and or agency authorizations for transmitting. You don't need a license to just monitor, a very important point.

To further clarify what's going on is the following. When a GMRS user communicates to another station he does so under GMRS rules. If the other station replies they also must operate under GMRS rules. 

For example if a GMRS user contacts myself on the air, using GMRS certified equipment and legal frequencies, and I respond I must also be using the same. I'm in fact dual licensed for both Ham Radio and GMRS. That doesn't preclude me from turning around and now using my Ham Radio to forward the message on legal Ham frequencies. When I do so I'm now operation under my Ham license and rules.

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8 minutes ago, Lscott said:

For example if a GMRS user contacts myself on the air, using GMRS certified equipment and legal frequencies, and I respond I must also be using the same. I'm in fact dual licensed for both Ham Radio and GMRS. That doesn't preclude me from turning around and now using my Ham Radio to forward the message on legal Ham frequencies. When I do so I'm now operation under my Ham license and rules.

Lscott,

You are a smart individual. We need people like you on the side of common sense.

The height of absurdity would be separately purchasing the KG-1000G, KG-1000M, and then the KG-UV980P, and actually feeling good about oneself after installing them in the same vehicle. No person should be applauded for this behavior or encouraged to carry out such ridiculous suggestions. Instead, they should be spared from following such thinking and made to feel good about common sense. If everyone jumps off a bridge, will we do likewise?

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14 minutes ago, pcradio said:

The point of this exercise it to show the FCC says many things that are not practical and logical. What amazes me is the amount of online posters who genuinely suggest that one must purchase three radios for their truck to use services they are licensed for.

That's petty much exactly what the rules say and requires. You would be surprised by how many people do in fact have multiple radios for the various services. It's common.

We have one or more individuals on this form who feel that's rather inconvenient and look for creative ways to circumvent FCC regulations. Are they likely to get away with it? Yes, but if they do get busted I have some very serious doubts the administrative court would agree with their arguments. Paying attorney fees, court costs and the likely $10,000 FCC fine is an expensive way to test their arguments where it really matters.

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33 minutes ago, Lscott said:

That's petty much exactly what the rules say and requires.

Thank you for the discussion.

Here is an official link to the office of the Governor of California. If we don't resist such thinking, more like this will come. I'm new to radio, and was not aware how an important marker had been crossed. There really is a spirit behind this, and it has big consequences for our future.

A quote from the link:
Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites.

I know it hard to stand up for right thinking. Much easier to just go with the flow. We can uphold the law, and still reject tyranny.

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5 minutes ago, MichaelLAX said:

That is a link to an outdated year old Tweet. Let's keep our discussion to the GMRS and other radio services rules, so that we do not lose perspective. 

Understood.

I was just trying to show how shocking something can be in perspective. I'm new to radio and I'm stunned at some of the regulations. We need some perspective on what makes sense and how logical arguments benefit society, not hinder it.

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1 hour ago, Lscott said:

... Yes, but if they do get busted I have some very serious doubts the administrative court would agree with their arguments. Paying attorney fees, court costs and the likely $10,000 FCC fine is an expensive way to test their arguments where it really matters.

Do me a favor, @Lscott since I am rushed this morning: please link me to the FCC Rules & Regs that makes your hypothetical a fine punishable event.

I am not talking about some company manufacturing and/or importing a non-Certified Part 95 radio into the US for sale;

I am talking about a GMRS licensee using a radio on GMRS, within the power, bandwidth limits, etc., that is either not Part 95 certified or was Part 95 certified and lost its certification, and, according to you, is subject to a $10,000 fine.  Thank you.

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3 hours ago, pcradio said:

How can equipment hardware itself be foreign? That is a reference to location. Equipment that is authorized can suddenly be not so, when it is in a different location. You can't say two different things at the same time.

I say a little different thing. I say that there is no requirement that equipment for different services must be in a different rooms or separated anyhow. You can operate your  TK-880-1 under Part 90 license and be station in LMR service, and then operate the same (or another one) TK-880-1 sitting on the same chair under Part 95e license and be a station in GMRS.

Equipment itself can be foreign, when it is under jurisdiction of the foreign rules and laws. It is not related to physical separation of stations intended for different services.

And regarding buying 3 radios, yes, that's the letter and the spirit of the law. Want to be clean in the eyes of the law, then buy three radios, because the terms of your license require that you operate within the rules. If you think you're above the rules, it's fine with me too, I'm not your mom or your neighbor or cop. Just do not mislead others, like Lscott pointed out above. I'm a little irritated by some people (we will not point fingers here) who suggest that it's perfectly ok to have GMRS<->Amateur communications when it's very clearly not allowed, or use 18W AT779UV on MURS.

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2 hours ago, MichaelLAX said:

Do me a favor, @Lscott since I am rushed this morning: please link me to the FCC Rules & Regs that makes your hypothetical a fine punishable event.

I am not talking about some company manufacturing and/or importing a non-Certified Part 95 radio into the US for sale;

I am talking about a GMRS licensee using a radio on GMRS, within the power, bandwidth limits, etc., that is either not Part 95 certified or was Part 95 certified and lost its certification, and, according to you, is subject to a $10,000 fine.  Thank you.

Ask your nearest FCC field office. I'm sure they would be delighted to point things out for you. If anybody has a question about their radio a simple check on he following site should be enough to answer the question.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

Enter in the FCC ID for the radio as required, search, then check the grant and see what parts it's certified for by the FCC. If Part 95A (old rules) or  Part 95E (new rules) is not shown then technically it can't be used. There is no wiggle room. People are using Part 90 radios on GMRS and so far the FCC has ignored it. However if they so choose to fine somebody, well, by the rules it never was legal so they took their chances.

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3 hours ago, Lscott said:

For example if a GMRS user contacts myself on the air, using GMRS certified equipment and legal frequencies, and I respond I must also be using the same. I'm in fact dual licensed for both Ham Radio and GMRS. That doesn't preclude me from turning around and now using my Ham Radio to forward the message on legal Ham frequencies. When I do so I'm now operation under my Ham license and rules.

That describes precisely how we have ARES District 1 set up here in NW Indiana. Our ARES "group" has both ham and GMRS members. Some hams (such as myself) are dual licensed.  Any GMRS operator can forward a message to one of us with dual licensed stations and we will then in turn forward that message to our Incident Command Center.  The same operates in reverse as well of course.

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3 hours ago, pcradio said:

A quote from the link:
Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites.

Haha, sorry for the off tangent. But that bolded remark is very much needed, and this very thread is a proof of it. We have people here (we will not point fingers) who might go to Starbucks with the shiny macbook in hand and say: "Oh cool! I'll take my first bite at 8am, and then blabber till noon with no mask. Because noon is when I'm taking my next bite".

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