SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 This video purportedly show a Ukrainian drone picking up a Russian handheld that was dropped. Personally I have my doubts, only because with all the Russians who have been killed in Ukraine, the Ukrainians probably don’t need to do this, but I don’t really know. It’s fun to think that this might have happened, anyway. Steve Duck218, WRUU653 and Sab02r 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Sshannon said: This video purportedly show a Ukrainian drone picking up a Russian handheld that was dropped. Personally I have my doubts, only because with all the Russians who have been killed in Ukraine, the Ukrainians probably don’t need to do this, but I don’t really know. It’s fun to think that this might have happened, anyway. Steve Can't see what kind of radio it is, just saw it from the backside. They likely would try to recover any radio they spot. If it's a military grade or commercial it could be a digital type and mostly likely using encryption. They would be interested if the later was the case due to any encryption keys. The radio might have been lost before it could be killed and the keys wiped. Of course the last possibility is it's a "plant" left there hoping it would be recovered. Then it could be traced or used to supply false information to the Ukrainians. PACNWComms and Sab02r 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Lscott said: Can't see what kind of radio it is, just saw it from the backside. They likely would try to recover any radio they spot. If it's a military grade or commercial it could be a digital type and mostly likely using encryption. They would be interested if the later was the case due to any encryption keys. The radio might have been lost before it could be killed and the keys wiped. Of course the last possibility is it's a "plant" left there hoping it would be recovered. Then it could be traced or used to supply false information to the Ukrainians. I certainly couldn’t identify it either, but if you read the comments one person “identified” it as a particular unencrypted Motorola model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Sshannon said: I certainly couldn’t identify it either, but if you read the comments one person “identified” it as a particular unencrypted Motorola model. Given how Motorola has entitlement keys you write to a radio to enable various features I just can't see how anyone could make a definitive claim. I have a bunch of Kenwood radios, and a few Motorola's, myself and some look identical. Can't tell them apart without looking at the tags on the back side under the battery pack. kipandlee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lscott said: Given how Motorola has entitlement keys you write to a radio to enable various features I just can't see how anyone could make a definitive claim. I have a bunch of Kenwood radios, and a few Motorola's, myself and some look identical. Can't tell them apart without looking at the tags on the back side under the battery pack. He said it looks like a Motorola DP4400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sshannon said: He said it looks like a Motorola DP4400. If it is then this is the brochure for it. https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/docs/EA_Collaterals/ENGLISH/MOTOTRBO/Portables/DP4000_DataSheet_ENG_lor.pdf SteveShannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 I sure can’t tell. I was kind of hoping to see a “Pofung” label. WRUU653 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 That might not be as funny as it sounds. I did read months back that people were buying up cheap radios to send to the Ukrainians. Whose to say the Russians aren't using CCR's. Since they seem to be getting more and more warm and fuzzy with the Chinese you might be right. WRQC527 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, Lscott said: That might not be as funny as it sounds. I did read months back that people were buying up cheap radios to send to the Ukrainians. Whose to say the Russians aren't using CCR's. Since they seem to be getting more and more warm and fuzzy with the Chinese you might be right. I’ve seen “YouTube reports” that both sides have adopted Baofeng radios when needed. I wouldn’t be surprised. And, yes, Ham Radio 2.0 had a YouTube video with a representative from the Polish Amateur Radio Club where they were actively soliciting support for Ukraine. I don’t remember the details, but it’s an easy video to find. WRQC527 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRQC527 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Here's a video from a few months ago discussing the sinking of the Moskva by Ukraine. From the 57 second mark, check out the Baofeng UV-5R. In other news, I've seen images and video over the years of various combatants on Middle East battlefields with mag-mount CB antennas on their Toyota battle trucks. Russian warship 'Moskva' sinks in Black Sea: What does it mean? | DW News - YouTube pcradio and SteveShannon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, WRQC527 said: Here's a video from a few months ago discussing the sinking of the Moskva by Ukraine. From the 57 second mark, check out the Baofeng UV-5R. In other news, I've seen images and video over the years of various combatants on Middle East battlefields with mag-mount CB antennas on their Toyota battle trucks. Russian warship 'Moskva' sinks in Black Sea: What does it mean? | DW News - YouTube I feel sorry for them if they are reduced to using cheap Chinese radios in war time. You are literally betting your life on a $25 radio that will likely fail the first time you drop it on a hard surface. It's as sad as these guys at the following link too. https://radiofreeq.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/militia-radio-frequencies/ WRQC527 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelLAX Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Sshannon said: I sure can’t tell. I was kind of hoping to see a “Pofung” label. Пофунг Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRQC527 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lscott said: I feel sorry for them if they are reduced to using cheap Chinese radios in war time. Especially since being an FM analog HT, a cheap Uniden handheld scanner can listen in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, WRQC527 said: Especially since being an FM analog HT, a cheap Uniden handheld scanner can listen in. Or an even cheaper Baofeng radio. WRQC527 and pcradio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axorlov Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Could be R-168 too. It is part of encrypted "Aquaduct" system, and in this case picking it might worth the trouble. Here is ad for sale with pictures, ad says that this radio was captured in Donetsk region and has a very secure password: 0000 https://reibert.info/lots/radiostancija-r-168-0-5um-akveduk-spec-svjaz.956129/ Lscott and SteveShannon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRQC527 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sshannon said: Or an even cheaper Baofeng radio. That's true, that's true. Baofengs are notoriously slow scanners, but if you kind of know where to scan, you can save a few hryvnias and spend them on some Khortysta Platinum for an after-action bunker celebration. SteveShannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, axorlov said: Could be R-168 too. It is part of encrypted "Aquaduct" system, and in this case picking it might worth the trouble. Here is ad for sale with pictures, ad says that this radio was captured in Donetsk region and has a very secure password: 0000 https://reibert.info/lots/radiostancija-r-168-0-5um-akveduk-spec-svjaz.956129/ You might be right on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcp2525 Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 You guys worry too much! The Russians are smarter than you think. We had code talkers back in the day and the Russians have hired inner-city youth to speak ebonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, tcp2525 said: You guys worry too much! The Russians are smarter than you think. We had code talkers back in the day and the Russians have hired inner-city youth to speak ebonics. Sad, but some inner city school districts wanted to hire teachers who could speak Ebonics so they can communicate with the kids. https://www.pbs.org/speak/education/curriculum/high/aae/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-20-mn-11042-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcp2525 Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Lscott said: Sad, but some inner city school districts wanted to hire teachers who could speak Ebonics so they can communicate with the kids. https://www.pbs.org/speak/education/curriculum/high/aae/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-20-mn-11042-story.html Yep, I remember those days. It's the beginning of dumbing down America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 Are you guys done? MichaelLAX and WRUU653 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sshannon said: Are you guys done? Any more theories about the radio? Is there a list of what radios are known to be used by all sides in the conflict there? I've looked at the spec's for the radios used in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. When I watch some old war movies I try to see what kind/model of radio they used. It's shocking how little power output the manpack radios had during those times. Anywhere from a few hundred milliwatts to a watt or so. The radios were really the size of a backpack. Now you get more power and performance out of something that fits in a shirt pocket. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-300 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-77_Portable_Transceiver SteveShannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveShannon Posted January 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, Lscott said: Any more theories about the radio? Is there a list of what radios are known to be used by all sides in the conflict there? I've looked at the spec's for the radios used in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. When I watch some old war movies I try to see what kind/model of radio they used. It's shocking how little power output the manpack radios had during those times. Anywhere from a few hundred milliwatts to a watt or so. The radios were really the size of a backpack. Now you get more power and performance out of something that fits in a shirt pocket. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCR-300 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-77_Portable_Transceiver It is pretty amazing isn’t it? They learned to make the most of their antennas and the capabilities of HF. NVIS is intriguing to me. Looking at the link that @axorlov posted it looks like that could be it. The side panel of the radio looks similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, Sshannon said: It is pretty amazing isn’t it? They learned to make the most of their antennas and the capabilities of HF. NVIS is intriguing to me. Looking at the link that @axorlov posted it looks like that could be it. The side panel of the radio looks similar. I guess it could be. I only see one knob or screw thing on the side. The link shows the photos and there are two on the one side. Of course one could be missing. The video resolution isn't high enough to see more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 27, 2023 Report Share Posted January 27, 2023 I went back to look at the photos on the site he linked. Sort of weird the radio has a Kenwood belt clip on it. https://reibert.info/lots/radiostancija-r-168-0-5um-akveduk-spec-svjaz.956129/ SteveShannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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