Repeater Number Question

[WRKY933]

When making a channel chart there are some repeaters that have numbers such as Repeater 1 thru 7. What differentiates these repeaters. Are certain frequency range blocks assigned to certain repeater numbers? Does a number 3 repeater get a certain frequency range compared to a number 7 repeater? How does that work?

[OffRoaderX]

I just saw a video on the Youtube that explains this exact question:

 

[SteveShannon]

9 minutes ago, WRKY933 said:

When making a channel chart there are some repeaters that have numbers such as Repeater 1 thru 7. What differentiates these repeaters. Are certain frequency range blocks assigned to certain repeater numbers? Does a number 3 repeater get a certain frequency range compared to a number 7 repeater? How does that work?

Eight frequencies have been designated in regulations for repeaters to transmit upon.  They are the same eight frequencies used by both FRS and GMRS for simplex communications and they are numbers 15-22 in the FRS regulations:

(a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz.

Eight other frequencies, 5 MHz higher in frequency, have been designated by regulation for transmission by stations wishing to transmit to a repeater for relay by the repeater:

(c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.

All GMRS certified radios pair the eight channels in those two groups into repeater pairs.  Thus, a radio transmitting to a repeater on 467.5500 MHz receives from that same repeater on 462.5500 MHz.

The FCC did not assign channel numbers to the repeater pairs in the GMRS regulations, but they did assign numbers to the first 22 channels in the FRS regulations https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-B

Because channels 15-22 (462 MHz main channels) are dual purpose, as shared simplex channels for FRS and GMRS and as repeater output channels, some manufacturers refer to the repeater pairs as RP15 - RP22.  Others simply continue the numbering sequence by referring to the repeater pairs as channels 23-30.  Other call them repeater channels 1-8.  The best thing to do is to be aware of the frequencies allocated in regulation and learn what your radio manufacturer calls them.

 

 

[SteveShannon]

8 minutes ago, OffRoaderX said:

I just saw a video on the Youtube that explains this exact question:

 

Much simpler than my explanation.  Good job!

[WRKY933]

23 minutes ago, SteveShannon said:

Eight frequencies have been designated in regulations for repeaters to transmit upon.  They are the same eight frequencies used by both FRS and GMRS for simplex communications and they are numbers 15-22 in the FRS regulations:

(a) 462 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, repeater, base and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. The channel center frequencies are: 462.5500, 462.5750, 462.6000, 462.6250, 462.6500, 462.6750, 462.7000, and 462.7250 MHz.

Eight other frequencies, 5 MHz higher in frequency, have been designated by regulation for transmission by stations wishing to transmit to a repeater for relay by the repeater:

(c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.

All GMRS certified radios pair the eight channels in those two groups into repeater pairs.  Thus, a radio transmitting to a repeater on 467.5500 MHz receives from that same repeater on 462.5500 MHz.

The FCC did not assign channel numbers to the repeater pairs in the GMRS regulations, but they did assign numbers to the first 22 channels in the FRS regulations https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-47/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-95/subpart-B

Because channels 15-22 (462 MHz main channels) are dual purpose, as shared simplex channels for FRS and GMRS and as repeater output channels, some manufacturers refer to the repeater pairs as RP15 - RP22.  Others simply continue the numbering sequence by referring to the repeater pairs as channels 23-30.  Other call them repeater channels 1-8.  The best thing to do is to be aware of the frequencies allocated in regulation and learn what your radio manufacturer calls them.

 

Thanks Steve, that info helps.

Jeff Coder K7JXB/WRKY933

 

[DONE]

(c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.

 

Meaning they are there, as part of the frequency allocation, but are NOT to be used for general simplex communications without communicating through a repeater.

So they are extra channels how?  Regulations say they can't be used for simplex operation, so they really aren't for general use.

 

[OffRoaderX]

1 minute ago, WRKC935 said:

Regulations say they can't be used for simplex operation

Non-boolickers say they don't care what regulations say.

[DONE]

17 minutes ago, OffRoaderX said:

Non-boolickers say they don't care what regulations say.

OK, so yet another video about nothing,,, getting posted on here to get clicks and get you paid. 

Of course, content of the video.  Especially one that is controversial, gets you more clicks and therefore more paid.  Never mind that the regulations specify you can't use the channels.  Rules are for bootlickers right?  Nevermind that your efforts and video's were quite possibly a part of what got the FCC to do an about face on linking and shut all that down.  So the rules only apply when they make YOU money.  Maybe someone at the FCC needs to look into how you are cashing in on spreading misinformation.  Maybe they will come down on you like they did the guy from Info Wars.  Hard to tell.  

 

How's that AI chat bot working out for you? 

[OffRoaderX]

I was going to respond, but its starting to feel like i'm bullying the kid in the wheelchair at school.

[DONE]

27 minutes ago, OffRoaderX said:

I was going to respond, but its starting to feel like i'm bullying the kid in the wheelchair at school.

WTF??? My sons confined to a wheelchair... you asshole, what kind of bullshit is that?  You implying something here? 

Keep running your mouth about my kid.  I knew you were a jackass, but now your bringing my son into this.  Who the hell do you think you are? 

[OffRoaderX]

2 minutes ago, WRKC935 said:

WTF??? My sons confined to a wheelchair... you asshole, what kind of bullshit is that?  You implying something here? 

Keep running your mouth about my kid.  I knew you were a jackass, but now your bringing my son into this.  Who the hell do you think you are? 

it wasn't about your kid, it was about you. It was about me starting to feel bad about arguing with you because all you do is make yourself look like a fool, and it's too easy to make fun of you.

[WRQC527]

10 hours ago, SteveShannon said:

Much simpler than my explanation. 

At least you didn't start a fight with your response. 

[DONE]

19 hours ago, OffRoaderX said:

it wasn't about your kid, it was about you. It was about me starting to feel bad about arguing with you because all you do is make yourself look like a fool, and it's too easy to make fun of you.

Well, you win, keep using this site to post links to your videos and make money off doing that.  They don't seem to care that you are cashing in, so why should I give a damn. 

You decided to bring MY DISABLED SON into this discussion which just shows what type of person you are.  How DARE YOU.  So sit there on your throne and do your thing.  I have better things to occupy my time with.

Go feel bad about that. 

 

EDITED For language.  I was obviously mad for obvious reasons.

Still done.  Just not going to leave this post the way it was.

 

[nokones]

8 hours ago, WRKC935 said:

(c) 467 MHz main channels. Only mobile, hand-held portable, control and fixed stations may transmit on these 8 channels. Mobile, hand-held portable and control stations may transmit on these channels only when communicating through a repeater station or making brief test transmissions in accordance with § 95.319(c). The channel center frequencies are: 467.5500, 467.5750, 467.6000, 467.6250, 467.6500, 467.6750, 467.7000, and 467.7250 MHz.

 

Meaning they are there, as part of the frequency allocation, but are NOT to be used for general simplex communications without communicating through a repeater.

So they are extra channels how?  Regulations say they can't be used for simplex operation, so they really aren't for general use.

 

Show me where in the rules it says you cannot use them as simplex channels, and if two or more stations are prohibited from conducting test messages with each other, and what the context of those test messages shall contain? Nor does the rule defines the time period of what is a brief period of time and that is subjective.

[nokones]

54 minutes ago, DONE said:

Well, you win fucker.... you can fuck right off, keep using this site to post links to your videos and make money off doing that.  They don't seem to care that you are cashing in, so why should I give a shit. 

You decided to bring MY DISABLED SON into this discussion which makes you a piece of shit.  How fucking DARE YOU.  So sit there on your throne and do your thing.  I have better shit to occupy my time with.

Go feel bad about that. 

 

Hey Keith:

You are way out of line and the language in your posting was not even necessary and uncalled for.  It was obvious that you did not like his comment, but your language and your response was not justified regardless of the situation with your son since, it was far from being directed to him. 

You're showing your below average class and intelligence levels in your posting. Please show me and the forum where in Randy's posting he was directing his comment specifically to your son, show me and the forum where that occurred. Nor, was his comment derogatory and/or disrespectful to any child in a wheelchair.

Maybe you are not cut-out for this hobby and being in a public discussion group.  Did the Amateur Radio Service group do you wrong or shame you also? You're definitely doing a great job of presenting yourself to the GMRS world? You might want to move on and give the Citizens Band Radio Service group a try now. Although, not all of the Citizens Band Radio Operators act like you, but they are many of them like you and you would no doubt fit in real well.

Maybe it would be best that you stick to FRS, but watch your language because there are a lot of kids using FRS and trying to become good radio operators when they become of age and can afford better radios.

[nokones]

13 hours ago, OffRoaderX said:

I just saw a video on the Youtube that explains this exact question:

 

Since, the eight 467 main channels could be used as private test channels, I think they need to be numbered. The eight repeater paired channels are numbered as RPT-22 through RPT-30 or 23 through 30 respectively, maybe the 467 main private test channels should be numbered channels 31-38, respectively.

[SteveShannon]

Ahh, I see.  Here is where it blew up overnight.

As someone whose wife is confined to a wheelchair I can absolutely understand why a person with a kid in a wheelchair would feel upset about a comment that uses a kid in a wheelchair as a simile for being helpless.  Until a loved one has been in that situation you might not get it, but having a loved one disabled does make us more sensitive about things we might otherwise have understood differently. But I don’t think that Randy went to the extent of finding out that your child was in a wheelchair and deliberately chose that as a way to goad you personally.  I think it was just one of those insensitive comments that people make.  

I understand Ken being upset about the language also.

How about we all go wrap gifts or something and take a mental health break.  The unfortunate thing is you are people who might actually like each other in different circumstances, but because you’re only seeing that one sharp edge that’s being presented that’s where your focus is.
 

 

[WRYZ926]

Am I on the mygmrs forum or Facebook? 

And I agree with @SteveShannon, I can see where someone that is disabled or has a family member that is disabled would take offense to comments about being disabled. Myself and my wife are both disabled, though neither of us are wheelchair bound.

I'll let others argue about using the repeater input frequencies for simplex outside of testing. I have done it for testing purposes only and will use them in an emergency if needed.

Okay back to trying to get the excess blood out of my caffeine system.

[SteveShannon]

3 hours ago, WRQC527 said:

At least you didn't start a fight with your response. 

The day is young.  

[rdunajewski]

Honestly where do I begin with this thread? Do I delete it all? Censor the language? Remove the inflammatory posts? Or do I leave it up because @SteveShannon and others have a therapeutic way of handling this argument and we are so close to getting 2 people to apologize and let things cool naturally. In that case, the lesson in putting aside our differences, on the Internet of all places, would be so much better than leaving the profanity and the references to disabled people.

Hopefully you guys can pause, come to a gentlemanly agreement to disagree at the very least, and apologize. Right now that kind of resolution would do the country, and the world, a bunch of good right now. We need more of that before we descend into another civil war some day. 

[SteveShannon]

1 minute ago, rdunajewski said:

Honestly where do I begin with this thread? Do I delete it all? Censor the language? Remove the inflammatory posts? Or do I leave it up because @SteveShannon and others have a therapeutic way of handling this argument and we are so close to getting 2 people to apologize and let things cool naturally. In that case, the lesson in putting aside our differences, on the Internet of all places, would be so much better than leaving the profanity and the references to disabled people.

Hopefully you guys can pause, come to a gentlemanly agreement to disagree at the very least, and apologize. Right now that kind of resolution would do the country, and the world, a bunch of good right now. We need more of that before we descend into another civil war some day. 

I would clean up the language. Anything more can still be done later if necessary. 
 

[UncleYoda]

1 hour ago, rdunajewski said:

Honestly where do I begin with this thread?

It's more than this thread; it's a systemic problem on the whole forum.  This type of distraction from the topic is happening all the time.  I think I have tried to be serious the whole time here.  But wisecracking, joking, smarteleck comments ruin nearly every topic.  I have most of the regulars that apparently sit on the refresh button to post on every topic on Ignore but it does little good.  What you do won't matter much to me because I can get by without this forum (the repeater listings are helpful though).  If I do keep coming here, I'd participate more if people could restrain from making unnecessary posts that contribute no useful info.

It'd be nice if the forum had a timed expire for posts so I could post some things (like this) and then have it delete before it feeds the trolls.  Even if the post just showed as "auto-deleted" rather than missing.

Back on topic, I could not tell if the OP meant repeater number in programming software or something on this site's repeater listing.  He doesn't mention a radio model or a software type and I don't knowwhat his "channel chart" reference means.

[WRYS709]

 

17 hours ago, WRKY933 said:

When making a channel chart there are some repeaters that have numbers such as Repeater 1 thru 7. What differentiates these repeaters. Are certain frequency range blocks assigned to certain repeater numbers? Does a number 3 repeater get a certain frequency range compared to a number 7 repeater? How does that work?

[WRYZ926]

To answer the original question. It depends on the radio manufacturer on how they list the 8 repeater channels. Some manufacturers will list them as Channels 23 through 30 while others will list them as repeater channels 1 though 8 and will abbreviate repeater as RPT. so the radio screen will show RPT1 though RPT 8. 

No matter how each manufacturer labels the repeater channels, they are the same across the board. All GMRS radios will transmit on 467.XXX to the repeaters and will receive the repeaters' output on 462.XXX. And all GMRS repeater use a positive offset of 5 MHz. 

Again, I will leave the arguing about if it is okay to use the repeater input channels for simplex to others. The FCC regulations have been posted for those who care about following them.

[OffRoaderX]

2 minutes ago, WRYZ926 said:

Some manufacturers will list them as Channels 23 through 30 while others will list them as repeater channels 1 though 8

I'm testing a new radio right now that lists the repeaters on channels 45 - 52 ... .I dont know what they were thinking...