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Oops, you're correct. For some reason, I thought that the 462 interstitial channels were required to be narrowband like the 467s. I guess I need to be a tad more careful when I read the rules. Oh well, its only my second mistake in life. Although, I do have a gazillion second mistakes. So, the original poster has the option to program 12.5 or 5 KHz for the 462 interstitials. Also, another second mistake, I stated in my previous post to go to the "Radio Information" section and click on the "Tx Power Tab". The Tx tab is in the "Radio Configuration" Section" and he would need to click on the "Tx Power Level" tab, but, the software would not let me set the "Low" power level setting below 20 watts, as stated and depicted in the above posts, like the XTL5000s will. Sorry for any confusion. I stand corrected and now better in the know.

In the "Radio Information" category, click on "TX Power" and set the minimum TX Power setting for 5 watts. Don't forget to save your work, periodically. Then, for each channel/personality, you need to click on the "Options" tab, and change the TX Power Level to "Low". Assuming, you're referring to the interstitial channels. Obviously, change the freq to the appropriate GMRS freq i.e. Channel 1 - 462.5625 MHz through Channel 7 462.7125 MHz, for both TX and Rx., respectfully. Channel Bandwith must be 12.5KHz ( FCC Requirement on the interstitial channels.) Tx Squelch Type - TPL for analog CTCSS i.e. 156.7 Hz. The common travel tone is 141.3 Hz. The Code is a Motorola Tone Code and will correspond with the CTCSS tone freq you program/select so, don't worry about it if you don't know the tone Code. It's just a short cut to program the CTCSS tone freq. DPL is for digital tone code. Rx Squelch Type - recommend you not program a tone so you hear everything on that freq. for now unless you only want to hear radios that transmit with the CTCSS tone freq you select. So, select CSQ for this setting. Do you know how to add a new zone, or channels to an existing zone? Let me know if you need any help.

Ah, copy. I do remember loading drivers for the Wouxun and I think the Midland and Kenwood programs for the cable compatibilities

I'm running the Motorola CPS for my XTS1500, XTS2500, and XTS5000 portables, and XTL5000 mobiles; Kenwood software for the TK880K mobile; and Wouxun software for the KG1000G Plus mobile; and Midland software for the MTX500 mobile radio on a Windows 11 HP Laptop computer successfully.

I'm kinda puzzled and finding it difficult that a FRS radio is the culprit even near by affecting your repeater. Is your repeater receiver that loose to allow a FRS transmitting on 467.6125 or 467.5875 narrowband 2.5 KHz/12.5 KHz channel with the same PL/DCS with a RF output of only a half watt really interfering with your repeater? I don't think so unless your receiver is really loose and out of spec. I tried to duplicate that with a FRS radio on channels 9 and 10 using the appropriate tone for my repeater and a CCR mobile I unfortunately own and I even placed the FRS radio up against the antenna of the receiving CCR mobile radio and there was no indication of any interference.

What are you using for a repeater and duplexer? Do you reside in an high RF area in a very large city? Are you sure it is not intermod related?

I just acquired a refurbished TK880K a couple months ago in a Club raffle. At first, I thought that I would give it away to a Club newbie in need of a mobile radio since I already have several non-CCR mobile radios, except for one unfortunately, that I shouldn't have bought in the first place. I never been a Kenwood fan or had a use for one but, I quickly grown to like the radio once I got into the programming of the radio and learned its radio capabilities, and fit the radio into my radio use choices and inventory/cache. They do make great GMRS radios and the radio features include zone programming, talkaround, a true monitor/PL Defeat that just doesn't blow squelch like a CCR, Home channel, and soft key programming. I like the size of the radio and it allows me to temporarily use the radio in one of my cars that really can't accommodate a permanent mobile radio installation. The radio is really not too shabby. For a quality and inexpensive radio for a person that doesn't have very much disposable income and want to play with radios, and learn how to program their own radio(s), this radio is for you.

Depending on how the Trespass Statute is written for the jurisdiction of where the act was committed, it may be possible that an act of using a person's private repeater without permission could be considered trespassing "if" the statute has language to include a "chattel". A trespass to chattels is an intentional interference with another person's lawful possession of a personal property. A "chattel" refers to any personal property, moving or non-moving. However, in order for a violation of a Trespass be enforced, an order must be given to the violator and that Trespass order must be documented/recorded by law enforcement in order to enforce it at a future date. No, I do not consider myself an expert. I'm just a lowly ol' internet user that happens to be in the know and retired playing with my gazillion Part 90 and two Part 95 radios for giggles on both Part 90 & 95 freqs.

Take a look at an EMR Corp. Duplexer. They're not cheap but reliable and durable. https://emrcorp.com/product/duplexers/mobile-duplexer/65316-0-mc5g-talsa/

DX Engineering is a good source for RF stuff. https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-1035-1-2

You'll need a couple of "N" male to SO239 adapters.

The Vertex Standard CPS is not compatible with Windows 10 operating system. The latest operating system you can use is Windows 8.1. Also, what version CPS are you using? That also will make a difference depending on the Repeater.

If you want to email me your radio codeplug file, I can take a look and do some testing to see what is/is not working. Email info below:

With the two KGs, I was only able to get .7 mile distance. I was using a Laird FG4605 antenna with an EMR Corp 6 cavity duplexer tuned by EMR. I am on flat terrain with the antenna tip at 30 feet AGL. I did try different cables with no difference in performance. My first thought it was the duplexer so I took the duplexer back to EMR Corp to have them recheck the tuning. It aas properly tuned. So, I thought maybe it's a defective radio so I swap the the programming on the two radios and there was no difference in the performance. I had a friend bring over a couple of Maxon mobiles configured for repeater operation and it made a significant difference. We experienced about 10 miles out and did not check any further. Obviously, the two KGs were the problem. Just for giggles, I did a distance check without the two radios in the auto repeat mode by removing the cable between the two radios to see if it would make any difference with the duplexer inline and I was able to get at least 5 miles and I didn't check any further. I even swapped the TX and Rx operation and there was no difference. It worked fine. At that point, I arrived at an opinion that the two KGs must be interfering with each other since the two Maxon radios worked great, and the KG radios were not the right setup for a repeater operation. So, I ended up buying a brand new Vertex Standard EVX R70 G7 which is essentially a Motorola XPR8400 and I was really surprised with the performance and the clarity of the audio at great distances (many farz) with a portable XTS5000 radio. I ended up selling the two KGs.

If my memory serves me right, I believe you isolated the receiving radio in a metal box and shield it from the RF energy so you can get those many farz?

If you want a good working repeater package, get a true repeater and save the money and time. If you use/connect together the two KG1000G Plus radios as a repeater package, you will have a desense problem between the two radios. The shielding between the two radios is essentially non-existent and you not be able to communicate more than a mile from the repeater. You will have to separate/isolate the receiving radio many yards or in a metal box/container to shield the receiving radio from the transmitting radio RF energy.

To answer your question, yes. I can send you a codeplug file for Arizona and New Mexico and some Southern California but, I would need to eliminate several repeaters because of several repeaters in AZ and NM are Club repeaters and only Club members are allowed to have the tone information. Several of the Southern California repeaters were given to me by permission and I will have to delete those tones, as well.

You are "Less than Correct". As quoted from subsection "c", what do you think "unless such transmitter is also certified for use in another radio service for which the frequency is authorized" means then? It means exactly what I posted. You need to understand how bureaucratic writing is written in order to understand the true definition of the rule. You're just not understanding. Why don't you call the FCC run the question by them in regards to 95.1761.c means.

You all are overlooking the word "unless" in subsection "c" and do not understand how the rule is written. Radio equipment will only have one type-acceptance.

Please carefully read sub section "c" again. The answer/rule is stated as such. Part 90 type-acceptance radios are certified for use on all capable frequencies that the radio can transmit on by internal programming and that includes the GMRS allocated channels thus, no additional type-acceptance is required and is legal. My radios are type-accepted for 450-520 MHz so my radios do not need a Part 95 Type-Acceptance. GMRS channels are not HAM thus allowed by the rule.

They don't have to be Part 95 type-accepted to be legal to use on Part 95 Subpart E freqs. Part 95 allows the use of Part 90 type-accepted radio units on GMRS channels.

I'm not sure even if the FCC dropped the testing requirement for a HAM entry level license, I would be interested in being licensed for the HAM band. I have had my GMRS license since the mid-90s and I am perfectly happy with what GMRS has to offer. I also have a Part 90 Business Radio Station Authorization (License) with a long list of UHF frequencies and I do use those frequencies. I use to have a list of VHF frequencies on my license but, hever used them so I removed them from the license. If I was a HAM licensee, I don't think I would play in the 2M band not sure why, just don't seem to have any interest. I am a member of two GMRS clubs. One is highly active in the community and provides services when needed for the community. And I do enjoy playing with my Part 90 Type-Accepted radios on the GMRS channels

The Southwest Community Radio System (SWCRS), which is part of the Tucson GMRS Club, has linked repeaters in New Mexico and Arizona. I know SWCRS some how is linked with another system(s) because when they conduct their Tech Nets they are also linked with Stations in Texas, Colorado, and Utah. I'm not sure what repeaters/system in Texas they are linked up with but, it may be worth while to look into this and this just may address your question. You might want to start with www.tucsongmrs.org

What would those advantages be?

After rolling by the accident, there was a Call Box a few miles down the road but, it was vandalized. The call box had a yagi on top of the pole pointing down to the valley floor.