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Yup, that's essentially what it does. You can test it pretty easily with 2 hand helds, and turn the RX tone on or off on one of them. They'll usually show that they're receiving, but won't put any audio out to the speaker.

He was found:

After seeing this exact same post on a very large Youtuber's video about the HAG1, I decided to pull out my remaining HAG1 (I had 4 but gave away all but one) to see if I could duplicate this, because i did not remember this occurring when I first got and used all of mine.. After 15 seconds of extensive testing I can confirm that this radio DOES add a squelch-tail sound at the end of simplex signal reception and I can find no Reverse-Burst or Squelch Tail Eliminator option in the settings to disable it.. HOWEVER - i cannot understand how this would be an issue for anyone - it sounds similar to when using a repeater.. it sounds like every walkie-talkie radio you ever see on TV or in the movies.. This, for me, is a non-issue, but it does exist, unlike on most other radios - if you had not pointed it out I would have never even thought twice about it.

You have the W/N setting wrong. It should be set for Narrowband. The Sun City West 625 repeater is a narrowband operating repeater and the DPL Tone polarity is Normal which you have correct.

Most all Kenwood (or for that matter almost every commercial radio) software uses Windows, and some even use DOS. A Chromebook isn't gonna cut it. I use a HP Probook i5 that shipped with Windows 10 Pro and most importantly it has a built in 9 pin serial port that can be used with DosBox for old radios, a DVD drive for older software but is new enough (i5 processor) to run Windows 11 if you want. They can be had for around $100 on eBay or FB Marketplace.

I think amaff is correct, i'll walk to mail box when she gets home and test it. I use to deal with a similiar issue with drone rx and tx being too close for testing. THANK YOU ALL!!!!

I guess that must mean that the rest of us are liars I haven't tested talking through a repeater on a handheld while listening on my mobile, but all of my H/Ts, from $18 Fegs to $100 Wouxuns do it. If they're listening on 462, and another HT is transmitting on 467 in the same room, I won't hear the transmission from the radio through the repeater on any of the other radios. I'll only get the kickback after I stop transmitting

I posted an answer yesterday and it showed that it was pending approval. I came back today and my comment is gone. There’s no indication that it is still pending approval or that it was deleted. I didn’t get any message in my inbox telling me that the comment was inappropriate. Which I don’t believe it was because it was related to the topic, and it was a very simple and direct answer. I am going to post it again, maybe it was a system clinch. I found the answer in the Midland website. In which they talk about FRS radios and the changes to the frequencies and power output. Here it is: “November 16, 2020 FRS radios will now have 22 channels: These expanded capabilities now include usage of channels 8 – 14, and previously GMRS only channels 15 – 22, in addition to the existing FRS channels 1 – 7. It is important to note that each FRS transmitter type must be designed such that the effective radiated power (ERP) on channels 8 - 14 does not exceed 0.5 Watts and the ERP on channels 1 - 7 and 15 - 22 does not exceed 2.0 Watts. Part95 - eCFR”

Yes, I think they have it fixed with the CH340. I initially could not find the DB40-G software, so I erroneously assumed that the DB20-G software would be basically the same. WRONG. When it didn't work, I associated the PL2303 that was referenced in forums with my Baofeng cable experience and assumed that must have been the culprit. And now... through the miracle of time.... I am proud to share my experience with anyone else that stumbles on this forum and laughs self-righteously at me as if they never would have committed the same error. Yeah, you're shoe is untied, my friend. .... (made you look)

After so many days… that is something! Nice to have a good news story!

Awesome! Thanks for the update. I kept checking, hadn't seen anything.

When I had my FT-891 and IC-7300 MARS modded, it opened up transmit on the CB frequencies, too. Even though I have a legit CB, it's nice to know I have options if needed.

Anyone have experience with the Ailunce HA1G? It is sold by Retevis. Having an issue with one I recently purchased. The features looked great. They seem to be solidly built and are suppose to be waterproof. There are 220 channels available for custom configurations. So, I though I would check them out. While setting up and testing two HA1G's a experienced a perculiar problem. When I would receive a transmission from a repeater I would receive a loud noise burst on the HA1G when the transmission end. It was very annoying to say the least. I test this with with an Anytone D878UVII Pro hand held in simpex mode. Same thing happens. I don't noise bursts on the Anytone only on the HA1G. After contacting Retevis support I was asked to do several tests. During those tests I found several interesting things. Setting the HA1G to use Digital Tone Squelch seemed to stop the noise burst. Of course, this doesn't really solve the problem. Since you would need every repeater you work would have to transmit a DCS tone that you have programmed in the HA1G. I find many GMRS repeaters don't transmitt any tone squelch codes at all. So, that leaves you to working only repeaters that have a DCS tone transmitted. I also found that tranmissions between the two HA1G do not experience the noise burst. Go figure!. I would be interested in any feedback on this subject. I would hesitate to recommend this radio until I can get a good answer for the issue.

He often is!!

Here is the repeater info: Here is how I sent programmed it.

That’s correct. They are digital codes and the I version has the bits flipped compared to the N version. They are definitely not the same. But DPL and DCS are two different names for the same thing.

So, when your radio is transmitting, it's desensing the other radio on the receive frequency it's listening to. When you stop transmitting, you'll get the kickback on both because now it can 'hear' again.

Not if they're close by. Here's a good thread on the topic w explanations.

Negative, haven't had a chance yet. I emailed buytwowayradios.com to get their opinion and received the following reply: "It's hard to say conclusively as that is very close to the factory limit. It's unlikely that the radio will be damaged merely by receiving a transmission. More often than not transmitting on bands the radio is not built for will either just not work, or work badly and damage the unit. I do want you to be aware though that using the radio on bands it's not rated for will void the warranty." Which is essentially what the replies I received here are.

eBay? Somebody is selling the CPS software with v1.06.01 firmware included for $25. https://www.ebay.com/itm/145634585726

That's strange, I've never seen that before. Perhaps @rdunajewski was testing a new feature?

The latest software on the Radioddity download page, takes care of most of those issues...

Thanks for the good info here. I have been dabbling with used Kenwood commercial radios a little bit and I'm really liking them. I have one 8360 and another on the way. The display isn't quite as good as the NX series or the old TK-890H, but it is more than adequate and much less expensive than some of the others. So far, I have: TK-880 TK-890H NX-800H TK-8360

That is what the tone codes do. It does not stop the radio from receiving it just mutes the audio (as I understand it).

Apparently some models now have USB charging. You can buy a battery with a USB cord on Amazon for $14. Or an extended battery with USB for $16 or a pair of extended USB batts for $26. Bottom line...it's no big deal to me but it would be nice to be able to charge a battery outside of it's docking station.

This is exactly where I see the GM-30. It's a great radio for that but buyers do need to know what they are getting. I have heard somewhere on this forum that there is a fix for some of the repeater channel issues.

Look in the manual for something called “squelch tail eliminator”. I don’t have that radio, but some radios have this feature.

It does not surprise me that you were 180 degrees off about the Radioddity USB cable: They went through the counterfeit-Prolific chip problem with the clone of the Radioddity DB20-G, the Anytone AT-779UV, and the switch to the CH340 chip and driver in the DB20-G solved the Windows 11 problem. So why would they go backwards on the DB40-G?!?

I think it was the tones, I remember looking over them and thinking it all looks the same, I went tone on all as opposed to tsql on the two that are listed as such, for troubleshooting purposes. I decided to upload the file from the radio to check it, and sure enough, that repeater somehow was set to cross. I reset it, and I will try again the next time I am out that way. Also, FWIW it was the rx tone that was set wrong when it got placed into cross mode, I think that might explain the repeater opening but no audio coming through like you said.

If you’re transmitting to the repeater while standing next to your wife while she’s listening to her radio, her radio might be desensing as a result of your transmission. That doesn’t explain why others on the repeater don’t hear you. Transmitting with the wrong tone would explain that, but you say you’re hearing the repeater pick up on your wife’s radio. It’s difficult to diagnose for certain but it sounds like a combination of desensing and possibly incorrect tones. Drive closer to the repeater. Separate from your wife (distance not marital status). Don’t give up. It’s not intuitive at first.

And I see that as being completely reasonable. And I honestly expect it to happen here at some point with the mygmrs.com network, and in truth it seems that it already has to a degree. Now my understanding is that mygmrs.com is repeaters only. And possibly a leaning to high profile repeaters being strongly preferred. And I would hope that there is some level of over site that keeps three guys on the same cul te sac from all putting up linked repeaters. Allowing every swinging dick in the sound of your voice to connect whatever to the system ruins the system. Simplex nodes, and I believe they had allowed not only Zello but soft phone connections to the system and that REALLY turns into a mess. I know that there are a couple groups that put Zello on their wide area networks as a tool for repeater owners to use on an as needed basis. But those should never be for everyone to abandon their radio and just use Zello. I also believe they were allowing digital ham radio 'hot spots' on the network which again has little to no coverage footprint outside someones house. He was doing all that by himself. Which is a huge undertaking. And obviously was overwhelming for him as time went on. Someone also mentioned it was pretty thankless, and yes, I tend to agree that you don't get much outside help with this sort of stuff. But if it's broke, everyone is quick to bitch about their FREE access to the service isn't working and they what it fixed immediately. Couple things I think we need for this system. Of course this is strictly my opinion but I am gonna throw it out there. First is documents on how to add a blacklist to a node. Now that everything is immediately available for download and getting a node number is simple as clicking a link, I think we are going to need that ability as the system grows. Knowing that the underlying system is All Star Link, there should be a document somewhere explaining how to do it but I haven't looked. People should have the ability to block other nodes from connecting to them if they desire to do so. It does exist right now, but there isn't specific instructions for that available. Guess, that was only one thing.... I guess the other would be adopt a fixed set of rules on what can be connected. I don't know that there is documentation saying high profile repeaters only. I don't know that there is a requirement that you can't link to a system that already has coverage in your area. I do know that one puts people into a spin, and rightly so. There is ZERO sense in having coverage overlap of any great degree on the same system. It's going to exist to some degree, but we shouldn't have the SAD HAM attitude of I want my call sign on a repeater too, and I want it linked to the same system that's 2 miles down the road simply because I can do it. Right now, there isn't anything in writing to indicate that. But I believe there needs to be.

My repeater has a 25 mile radius but the map image seems to show a radius of much less. I have used other sites and know where 25 miles should reach in a straight line and it’s not shown to be covered by the maps generated on myGMRS. Looks to be a good 5-10 miles off. Any ideas? https://mygmrs.com/repeater/8212

Sometimes good enough is good enough.

It looks like the future of GMRSLive is up in the air. Not due to FCC but for other reasons. Change of Operations 7/24/24 – 9:30am We are turning 4 Years Old and with nearly 800 nodes connected I’m pretty much getting out of the radio hobby. It is supposed to be fun which it hasn’t been for a long time. I stopped using Amateur Radio because of the ‘Sad Hams’. To many people thinking they are better then everyone else. I found GMRS and it was fun. Not the crappy CB radio but good people to talk to and have a light hearted conversation. But.. To many people ruin the hobby. Some try to put digital some think they need to improve the network by adding everything from Zello to their toaster. They think they need to link it to everything. They think it is there job to add stuff so others can join, but those people could just join themselves. Why can’t they just get on the air and talk to people like it was designed to do? Why do they need to change things? GMRS is not for ‘Emergency Ops’! There are plenty of better ways to support that. If you can use GMRS to talk to friends and loved ones in a emergency that is great but you shouldn’t plan your life around it. I tried to protect the system and make it so everyone could enjoy it and would be safe for any age group. So you would know who was on. Those days are gone. I took so much grief from people over the few little rules we had. When the network started there were really no rules. Just have fun and enjoy. Then came the people that wanted to change things. They wanted what they wanted and screw everyone else. We allowed Zello in the beginning and even hosted a Zello link. It was a great tool along with IAX for people out of range of their normal connection to still be apart of the network. But then the SAD GMRS groups came along and started creating huge network groups on Zello that were not even members of the network. Has anyone else noticed Zello is mainly a bunch of people wanting to talk just like CB but don’t want to get a radio. It got so bad with the interference and not known whom was doing what we had to stop it. Why couldn’t they just use it as a tool for themselves and other users. Oh what a bunch of crying from a few. One person even told me they were ‘Required’ to have a Zello link for EOC operations. Huh??? But the users that had Zello and was using it in a positive manor didn’t see how others were using it. How do you stop one and let another? That is just on type of thing I had to put up with while Volunteering my time. The network became like Farmville on Facebook. First thing I did every morning was check to see if all was ok. I’d check multiple times daily, then before bed. For years it has it has consumed me. Pretty much dropping what I was doing to help someone with a problem. That is why I am stepping away from radio. I may use it every now and then but I’m going to find a different hobby and spend more time with the family. Maybe something to do with programing and doing computer stuff. I have enjoyed learning the C language. To accomplish this and keep the network running I have to change a few things… No more Banned list of users. If they have a GMRS License they can have node numbers. Anyone currently on the band list will be cleared and they can join. Changed my mind. Screw the people that didn’t want to play nice to start with. No more general support. The support email and contact will be for account issues and registration issues ONLY (like name changes and ports…). All other will not be addressed or returned. When we first started we had to help a lot of users that were new because there was nowhere else for them to go. Now there are plenty of talented people on our Facebook Group that can help. The network is self policing. You police your own nodes and or HUBs. If someone connects to you and does something you don’t like tell them or bounce them. You always have the option to Blacklist them. You connect and do as you wish with your own node. If you connect your toaster to it and it screws things up well it is your fault. If you connect something that isn’t working correct and you want to connect to someone else have at it, but be ready for that person to bounce you and block you. Yes you read right, Put Zello, DvSwitch or anything else you want online. I am not going to spend my time hunting anything down anymore. For those many people that have made this network what it is today I say Thank You . This is going to make more work for you but I’m sure you can keep things under control on your stuff. I am truly sorry a few have ruined it for the others. Life is just to short for me to be miserable anymore. But it was never an option to just shut it down completely. In the last four years the network has grown. For the first few years we ate the total cost. People asked to help with the cost and we always turned them down. Then with retirement in the future and the network getting bigger we allowed donation. We never requested them, and this is NOT a request now. The network is fine. If things ever come to it not supporting itself then we will simply turn it off. This is not and never has been a money making venture. Look around we have no paid advertising. We don’t ask for a thing. We don’t sell anything. No links to anything to make money. Look at other pages, many with affiliate links. Stores to sell stuff. Try to sell parts. Anything to make money. We just wanted the best network for others to enjoy. Don’t even think I’m giving up. I haven’t been beat. I’m just bored and want something else to do with my time. – Tony

On AirSpy SDR#, you're able to add a "spectrum slice" to monitor another frequency by clicking on the " +" icon. At least this is what I found out, I'm new to it as well. It's cool stuff.

You cannot get it from Motorola, so your best bet is to get it from someone that has it - and they have to have the "installer" - if they just have it installed on their computer you can't just copy it over. Usually SOMEONE in most H.A.M./GMRS groups will have it.. You might be able to get it from whoever you get your cable from, no guarantee, but you can ask. Get the newest version you can get. I have the newest version (don't recall the version number) and I can only get it to run on Windows 10 - it will not work (correctly) on Win11 and I have read that most people have no problem with it on much older versions of Windows with 32bits. You don't tune the duplexer unless you know how, and you have the correct equipment - and if anyone here tries to tell you otherwise because "it's easy", you should ignore that person. Find someone in your local GMRS/H.A.M. group to tune it for you or pay $50 to your local radio-shop to do it for you.

Dude! Don't curse my people! I thought we were friends! LOL

Don’t push him toward amateur radio. We also have enough garbage already.

I've never ignored a new member that fast lol

@WSDA306 Wow! That sucks! Used to when you bought a house you looked for things like: is there a train track right next to it, airport, crime rate. Now we have to see if it's in a dead zone.

There is no real difference between the radio brands. Yes, commercial and public safety models generally have better specifications but that is reflected in the price. System on a Chip (SOC) radios work perfectly for general hobby/personal use. Personally, I think the Motorola, Kenwood and other "top-tier" radios are all way overpriced and for personal use. I recommend some of the Tytera, TYT, Wouxon and other brands as being perfectly usable for general use. 5 W output is 5 W whether it comes from a Moto or BaoFeng.

While I tend to agree, it will still take a lawsuit, deep pockets and the courage to both pursue it and apply those resources to the suit.

This will change given the SCOTUS ruling Friday re Chevron deference. Agencies will no longer be able to fill in the blanks on ambiguous laws. It's now back to the courts.

The club president was hesitant to reveal the repeater and simulcast system's owner's occupation and employer, but somehow this is related to the owner's relationship to the FCC employee. I will also point out that in his responses, the pres never calls the FCC guy an "agent" There is more to this that is not being told. Thank you Randy

Poppycock! I for one think that more threads with links to those videos are what society and the world needs! Think of the children!

What the world really needs right now is more threads about this

I watched Randy's video last night. What strikes me as odd is that the FCC "agent" gave the repeater "custodian" a heads-up, and then asked for the call signs. I mean, is this an official action, or isn't it? If it's not, then I'm afraid I don't know who has used the repeater. If it is, then we're having an entirely different conversation, and likely through attorneys.

While I don’t dispute this happened, the issue of asking for call signs is a bridge too far. The owner should not need to produce any such info, but even if they do I doubt anything would come of it. The government always tends to overreach and it’s up to the citizens to push back and keep them in check.

I’ve had my President Thomas for year, and works great for what I need it for. You’ll like FM. We use 24 FM quite a bit on hunting & fishing trips.

They are great! Ham antennas are usually brass wire in a fiberglass random and or not enough ground plane radials. The J-Pole's copper 5/8 inch outer diameter has a wider bandwidth and a lower noise floor for receiving. Plus it's an end fed 1/2 wave that doesn't have any loss, due to, not needing a 50 ohm matching system. Only problem, it is exposed to the elements, like rain....Swr will go up slightly, And as long as it's below 2.0:1, your transceiver, will be good. Also, if you think of it, most commercial antennas are aluminum exposed folded dipoles. The tarnish on the copper will not make a difference. I know someone who had made his own. It worked for 10 years until he took it down to give it to his friend. For the best experience - Don't just click the "buy button" on the website. Contact KB9VBR by email and ask for the j-pole to be tuned for the exact frequency center you want. Also make an air choke with your coax, five or six turns of coax at the base . This will prevent a radiating feedline and prevent distorting the antenna's radiation pattern. Or add sum uhf ferrites to the coax - makes a big difference in swr. I don't think antenna modeling programs take that into account.