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Posted 06 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

I have just gotten off the phone with Marvin's Building Material and Home Builders about their use of GMRS.I was at one of their stores yesterday and listened to the employees use 462.675 for ordering lunch and general business activities.I notified corporate a few minutes ago and as luck had it reached the IT dept.

 

The gentleman I spoke with was unaware that they were operating illegally.I politely explain to him the rules regarding GMRS use and in turn he provided me with his email address where I sent him a copy of the FCC rules and also links from the FCC website of the latest fines issued to businesses that were caught using GMRS.

 

The IT representative in turned thanked me for the information and will be correcting the situation and I will notify every one as soon as I am updated on the situation....William


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:28 PM

Now your talking., Way to go William. I got a new BC125at scanner a few days ago and began monitoring the rest of our GMRS channels, not a single call sign announced since I got it. Ignorance is BLISS till they get caught.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 05:58 PM

Thanks, William... Tactfulness and polite communications with the unknowing public goes much farther than yelling. Good job... !!


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:41 PM

good luck trying to do that here. short of monitoring,recording, finding the location and then turning it over to the FCC.

I find construction co. to be the worst offenders, they buy radios off the net w/whatever freq's in them and royally screw up my week.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:29 AM

I heard Sonic over the radio across town years ago. They really had a good signal. I could not believe how well their bubble pack radios signal traveled. They had a grand opening and they were using GMRS to direct cars. I drove over and ordered a hamburger. While eating I explained to the manager that what was going on was not a good idea. FCC rules, etc. He was also unaware of the ramifications. They had just purchased the radios for the opening, I suggested that he have his staff change over to one of the FRS only channels. I showed him how and explained that 0.5 watts would work well in the parking lot. There was no need to paint the entire city with parking lot activity.

 

It worked out well. I never heard them on the air again. I visited often for a meal every now and then.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:07 AM

Licensed operators have an unwritten responsibility to be the courteous information source for persons who may not realize what the laws are.  The Commission's handling of GMRS originally was less than thoughtful and their oversight in properly separating FRS from GMRS has left the local education up to licensed GMRS operators. We are the Commission's proxy sub-contractors of education and we must deal with unlawful operators in a manner suitable for a good eventual outcome.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 02:09 PM

FCC enforcement is lax on GMRS and the Ham bands. Every now and then a serious offender is hit with a fine. This is sad, but it is reality. It is best to ignore those unlicensed users who play on the bands (unless they become a very serious problem). Business are different, they stand a better chance of being fined. They tend to be more reasonable when educated about the risk of operating unlicensed. Presentation of the facts is important. As suggested, a polite education goes a long way. If they ignore the advice and continue and it is confirmed that they are not operating on a grandfathered business license, well, it probably makes sense to involve the FCC.

 

Now if some joker gets on a public safety bands there is quite a rapid response in locating the offender. It makes sense. Enforcing the law to prevent someone from interfering with a fire department or police response is more important than the general public bands. There are exceptions. Interfering with E-communications during a disaster on any band should be swiftly taken care of.

 

The funny thing is, I would not have known about the Sonic opening if I had not heard the transmissions.  :)



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:24 PM

I totally agree. A few weeks back we had a local ARES group performing drills and training. Some joker decided to key up through approximately 30% of all net control transmits. Dispatched teams for Search & Rescue as well as shelter communications were having to repeatedly request re-transmits.

 

No one said anything about it, as is best and common practice when dealing with a malicious "keyer". Though we discussed the possibility of a secret Fox Hunt during the next ARES exercise at our local club meeting. Even though most of us were not participating in the ARES exercise, we were rather upset at the actions of the individual responsible.

 

Some were so peeved I think they might have lynched the person if they knew who it was. 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

I often wondered what is done after said idiot "keyer" is located. I guess recording and documenting might help, but what would be next? Ordinary citizens start to enter a dangerous area.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:41 PM

Recording, documenting, then turning it over to the FCC. The FCC doesn't take kindly to malicious interference, especially when it interferes with emergency preparedness. If we did something like that we would not take action against the person, we wouldn't even tell them we were doing it. They would just get a knock on the door from someone driving a black SUV with antennas all over it.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:52 PM

you don't even see the antennas any more.

I have had several meets w/field agents over the yrs, the new stuff you don't see.


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

Even better. The only downside is you don't get to see their face when the FCC shows up.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:22 AM

This makes you wonder why these people intentionally interrupt things. Someone has to be psychologically messed up to interfere with ecomm messages. I never understood it myself. I do not think I want to know what goes on in their minds.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:27 AM

There was a study over 15 years ago about that and the findings were a bit sad.  The psychology team doing the study found that the majority of interference was caused by persons who were 'left out' of the main activity because they had emotional issues or were otherwise not 'good enough' for joining the group in the opinion of organizers. That is a sad commentary on the administration of some first responder or 'assist' groups in passing over individuals who are interested in becoming part of a team but for one reason or another, were not asked to join. We are a society of 'differences' and we must all try to get along with everyone the best that we can and to make allowances. If a person is even somewhat qualified to do work for a team, that person should be given a chance to participate and if mistakes are made during exercises, the person should get a fair amount of mentoring to be able to participate and to feel welcomed... before an actual emergency takes place.

 

However, the psychology team also found that there are instances where interference was caused by down right spiteful individuals who don't want to join 'assist' groups and try to make it hard on the group by disrupting things. Those individuals are the ones that the LAW should go after aggressively because they can and do cost lives.


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