GMRS 10-Codes

[WQAI363]

On 3/9/2023 at 6:24 PM, WRVG593 said:

What protocol? There's no listed 10 codes. We can say LEO, Firefighter, etc. But they all have different codes

There I go again, putting my two cents without understanding the full concept of this topic. Beside with the new generation, the young folks ages 8 to 30 wouldn't understand radio lingo that public safety and truckers use to use back in the day. Of course, not just Ten Codes, but the other lingo, such Smokey or Bear Trap.

Heck, I may have seen trucker movies too many times and I still get a kick out of those phases they used on the air. Of course. that was common on CB and once in a while 10 meters, even though most Amateur Radio Operators would cringe using that over the Amateur Radio Bands. But I'm sure as long as it complies with the Rules and Regulations, it shouldn't a problem.

Meaning, Don't say Knocking over the coin jar or running up Rocky's Steps, because that could really be hidden and be classified as a possible Felony, which FCC doesn't take too kindly to.

[Hoppyjr]

I think the OP is over thinking all of this.

When I hear 10 codes being used by people, other than public safety professionals, I think “Paul Blart, mall cop”.

If you’re really in need of codes, have at it, but plain English works just fine.

[WRQI583]

Ha ha I think you are overthinking it. Just use the common 10 codes and you will be fine. No one is going to throw you in jail for using 10 codes. GMRS is very laid back. We aren't police officers acting official when on the radio. Whenever I am listening to GMRS repeaters or happen to use one with my wife, it sounds no different than a couple Hams having a conversation on a repeater. You seriously cannot tell the difference aside from a 10 code being thrown out here or there. I know at least in my area, the most I will hear is 10-4. The point that you run into an issue is when you sound like you are running covert military op's and you sound like you are up to no good and maybe possibly, something really bad happens in the area where you happen to be and someone ties your communications together with an incident, then you will have an issue. If you use the common 10 codes, you will be perfectly fine. 

[WQAI363]

8 hours ago, WRQI583 said:

Ha ha I think you are overthinking it. Just use the common 10 codes and you will be fine. No one is going to throw you in jail for using 10 codes. GMRS is very laid back. We aren't police officers acting official when on the radio. Whenever I am listening to GMRS repeaters or happen to use one with my wife, it sounds no different than a couple Hams having a conversation on a repeater. You seriously cannot tell the difference aside from a 10 code being thrown out here or there. I know at least in my area, the most I will hear is 10-4. The point that you run into an issue is when you sound like you are running covert military op's and you sound like you are up to no good and maybe possibly, something really bad happens in the area where you happen to be and someone ties your communications together with an incident, then you will have an issue. If you use the common 10 codes, you will be perfectly fine. 

You right, no one should care whether a person uses Ten Codes or Q Codes on Amateur Radio or GMRS to aid in relaying information. After all, everyone should be entitled to say what they want, as long as it's profanity. 

[marcspaz]

10 hours ago, WRQI583 said:

Ha ha I think you are overthinking it.

 

How dare you accuse me of thinking!? Have you read my posts?

[WRQI583]

On 5/29/2023 at 8:47 PM, marcspaz said:

 

How dare you accuse me of thinking!? Have you read my posts?

I meant that for the OP not you. They were overthinking using codes and what is not permitted or permitted. 

I don't know who people are more scared of, the IRS auditing them or the FCC throwing someone in federal prison for 100 years for saying "I am going to echo delta 10-420 this zulu foxtrot and then covert charlie the man".

I see so many posts on many of these sites where people overthink stuff.

[WROC838]

This is what I know and go by , and use on my GMRS radio with others

10-1  Signal Weak
10-2  Signal Strong
10-4  O.K.
10-5  Relay message
10-6  Busy
10-7  Out of service
10-8  In service
10-9  Repeat
10-10 Monitoring
10-11 available to reply
10-12 Spouse or not alone  
10-13 Weather or road conditions
10-14 Escorting
10-15 in custody
10-17 Papers or items in hand
10-19 In route
10-20 Location
10-21 Telephone
10-22 Cancel or Disregard
10-23 Stand by
10-24 A disturbance
10-25 Important information
10-26 Wrecker
10-27 Driver's license check
10-28 Vehicle registration check
10-29 Check for warrants/stolen
10-30 Unnecessary use of radio
10-31 Secure the channel for ______ 
10-32 Inebriated Drunk or under the influence
10-33 Emergency traffic
10-36 Time request
10-37 What is your current status
10-38 My status is ____
10-39 Message or item delivered
10-40 Back-up
10-50 Traffic accident
10-71 Advise status of call
10-97 Arrived at scene
10-98 Finished with last assignment 
10-99 I am Injured or not okay 

10-100 Restroom break

 

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[Guest]

30 minutes ago, WROC838 said:

... use on my GMRS radio with others

10-27 Driver's license check

10-28 Vehicle registration check

 

Do those get used frequently ?!? 

... as I mentioned in a few threads:

Sometimes, the question is not "is it allowed" or "can we" but rather "does it make sense" or "should we" !

What good is a code that has no use or you forget because you never use it or that might just be misunderstood...

10-4 

 

[WROC838]

No Not all the 10 code is used , but is the example and same that I would use . Some are from Law enforcement and only a base of the 10 code for use .  I just listed all here for simplicity of copy and paste . Most Law enforcement agencies are using post 911 simply verbiage to communicate now days .

[Guest]

3 hours ago, WROC838 said:

No Not all the 10 code is used , 

I got this - no worries 

  

I guess the spirit of the law aims to prohibit "coded messages" in the sense of cyphers while acknowledging that when it comes to 10-codes, the 'cat is out of the bag' and those codes are no longer considered cryptic.

That then begs the question (once more): Why use code(s) ?!? 

My answer is simple:

In a few cases, there are reasonable shorthands that are widely understood - 10-4

In most cases, operators aim for the coolness factor and the vail of insider (vs the non initiated).

- Personally, I find radios cool enough as is and I do not need to add some 'Smokey and the Bandit" coolness . And as far as the in-crowd aspect is concerned... #GetALife 

 

[H8SPVMT]

"WE" use coded signals all the time, examples:

Home: I'm going home.

     No one else listening knows that location of what the actual location refers to.

Location: The key is in it's usual location

Ass whooping: 

      Tell John he is getting an Ass whooping when I get home!  Who is John and just what does "Ass Whopping" refer too?

Number three lug-nut:

The number three lug nut is loose and needs to be tighten.

etc:..........

 

 

[SteveShannon]

2 hours ago, H8SPVMT said:

"WE" use coded signals all the time, examples:

Home: I'm going home.

     No one else listening knows that location of what the actual location refers to.

Location: The key is in it's usual location

Ass whooping: 

      Tell John he is getting an Ass whooping when I get home!  Who is John and just what does "Ass Whopping" refer too?

Number three lug-nut:

The number three lug nut is loose and needs to be tighten.

etc:..........

 

 

None of those is an attempt to conceal or disguise meaning.  

[H8SPVMT]

On 7/4/2023 at 10:16 AM, Sshannon said:

None of those is an attempt to conceal or disguise meaning.  

Oh but they can with prior agreement. As "Home" can mean a predetermined meeting place or another location. 

[SteveShannon]

14 minutes ago, H8SPVMT said:

Oh but they can with prior agreement. As "Home" can mean a predetermined meeting place or another location. 

Of course; see the first post in this thread. No point in repeating speculation over and over. 

[WRKP889]

Why do we need 10 codes, what is wrong with plain English. Not everyone knows 10 codes, nor cares to learn. Speak like you're holding  conversation with any person on the street. 

[SteveShannon]

43 minutes ago, WRKP899 said:

Why do we need 10 codes, what is wrong with plain English. Not everyone knows 10 codes, nor cares to learn. Speak like you're holding  conversation with any person on the street. 

Relax, the OP was asking some philosophical questions regarding 10 codes and the rules prohibiting encoded messages with hidden meanings.  You are not being required to learn or use 10 codes.

[WRUE951]

well,, there is a lot of people speaking their native language on GMRS radios now days,, To me, and probably 90% of everyone listening, their language is all hidden messages.

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[SteveShannon]

3 minutes ago, WRUE951 said:

well,, there is a lot of Mexicans speaking their native language on GMRS radios now days,, To me, and probably 90% of everyone listening, their language is all hidden messages..  And boy are they long winded......

That’s offensive.

[WRUE951]

8 hours ago, Sshannon said:

That’s offensive.

No,, its the truth....

[nokones]

Many years ago, only the English language was allowed on the FCC allocated frequencies. The FCC changed that rule many years ago.

[WQAI363]

On 3/9/2023 at 6:24 PM, WRVG593 said:

What protocol? There's no listed 10 codes. We can say LEO, Firefighter, etc. But they all have different codes

Sorry it took so long to get back to this topic. You're absolutely right! Or

It kind of makes me irritated when certain individuals tell you, you can't use 10-codes on Amateur Radio, because it sounds like CB. Then again you can't Q-codes on CB or GMRS. Hey, as long as you are in the confines of the FCC Rules and Regulations. Who Care?

I understand why Amateur Radio Operators do not want to hear, That's a Big 10-4 good buddy! That Hollywood motion picture such. If someone says 10-4, let it be. Not 10-4 Good buddy 

[jwilkers]

Sorry it took so long to get back to this topic. You're absolutely right! Or
It kind of makes me irritated when certain individuals tell you, you can't use 10-codes on Amateur Radio, because it sounds like CB. Then again you can't Q-codes on CB or GMRS. Hey, as long as you are in the confines of the FCC Rules and Regulations. Who Care?
I understand why Amateur Radio Operators do not want to hear, That's a Big 10-4 good buddy! That Hollywood motion picture such. If someone says 10-4, let it be. Not 10-4 Good buddy 

Long standing tradition. You will find amateur protocol follows traditional operating procedures. Some repeater owners forbid cb lingo on their systems.

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[UncleYoda]

A) 10-4 is not = CB.  Firemen and police who are new to HAM are are the ones I hear using it the most.   And they know the feelings about it, but it's hard to break habits.

Tradition, no matter how entrenched, is not enforceable on others.  The regs are all that count.  Most HAMs do not understand this and they are in the wrong.

[WRYS709]

1 hour ago, UncleYoda said:

A) 10-4 is not = CB.  Firemen and police who are new to HAM are are the ones I hear using it the most.   And they know the feelings about it, but it's hard to break habits.

Tradition, no matter how entrenched, is not enforceable on others.  The regs are all that count.  Most HAMs do not understand this and they are in the wrong.

Those of us Baby Boomers first were exposed to 10-4 when Broderick Crawford used it on the classic 1950s TV series: Highway Patrol!

[ClassicCarGuy]

Looks like there are lots of changes from the original 10 code to begin with. I guess its no different from any languages.