mam123 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 See the advisory notice in the link or the attached file below. https://www.fcc.gov/document/amateur-personal-radio-users-reminded-not-use-radios-crimesDA-21-73A1.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman1971 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Thank you. I think its kinda obvious, but worth reminding people. G. mam123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrun Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Michael Martin, thanks for posting that. That notice was a topic on amateur radio yesterday, but mainly because it is so unusual for the FCC to issue anything on weekends. Seems to be a indicator that the rule may play in to the charges/prosecution/fines against some trying to overthrow our democracy. Some folks do not realize that when the break the laws they do know about, they often break laws they don’t know about. I would not be surprised to learn that perhaps less than 1% of GMRS licensees read the rules. MichaelWRHS965KE8PLM berkinet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman1971 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Please, lets leave politics out of this. mbrun and kipandlee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCRick Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Okay, it's a crime to use my radio to commit a crime. Got it. Worth knowing. I do my best to not commit crimes and if that wasn't the case I'd likely be equally impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkinet Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Based on very recent news reports, this action by the FCC seems to be in response to an assumption that people who have recently lost some Internet based communications channels used to coordinate possibly illegal mass actions, will now turn to radio. I do not know if that is true or not. But, even if it is, I don’t see people using GMRS to coordinate illegal activities bothering to get a license first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrun Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Based on very recent news reports, this action by the FCC seems to be in response to an assumption that people who have recently lost some Internet based communications channels used to coordinate possibly illegal mass actions, will now turn to radio. I do not know if that is true or not. But, even if it is, I don’t see people using GMRS to coordinate illegal activities bothering to get a license first.Very true. And since they won’t have a license and will not be in tune with sources that cause them to see the warning, it really is all for not. Nothing wrong with the reminder though. Yep, it caused all of us to be reminded of it. MichaelWRHS965KE8PLM Mikeam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuySagi Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Here's an interesting question (at least to me). Law enforcement cites the increasing number of criminals who use two ways and scans police bands during their crimes, mostly burglary, robber and drug related I surmise as part of the encryption rationale. Yet, I receive the DOJ news releases (dozens) from each office on Friday and have never, ever, seen a charge related to the use of a radio during the commission of a crime. It's illegal, but has anyone ever seen someone actually charged with the offense? You'd think it would be automatically piled onto all the other charges (in typical fashion) to make the defendant more agreeable to taking a plea. Maybe the FCC notice was a reminder to law enforcement, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman1971 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 That is the reason why most PDs have gone P25 AES encrypted, so they can't be eavesdropped. But still, even with AES, there are people who will jam the police using their radios, etc... G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxCar Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Many groups use bubble pack and CC Handhelds for communications during mass events. Some of these events are lawful, others may not be as abiding as required for civil obedience purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8SPVMT Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Why doesn't cell phones fall under the same scheme?People using FRS aren't required to be licensed so it is a crap shoot if anyone sees the notice. Legalize by FCC I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoxCar Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 It's more of a CYA post by the FCC than anything else. If (that's IF) they arrest someone and they have a radio that is turned on they can make the charge even though they couldn't necessarily prove it unless they have a picture of the person using the radio while committing the offense. AdmiralCochrane and NCRick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtech Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Here's an interesting question (at least to me). Law enforcement cites the increasing number of criminals who use two ways and scans police bands during their crimes, mostly burglary, robber and drug related I surmise as part of the encryption rationale. Yet, I receive the DOJ news releases (dozens) from each office on Friday and have never, ever, seen a charge related to the use of a radio during the commission of a crime. It's illegal, but has anyone ever seen someone actually charged with the offense? You'd think it would be automatically piled onto all the other charges (in typical fashion) to make the defendant more agreeable to taking a plea. Maybe the FCC notice was a reminder to law enforcement, too. I see that charge fairly often in the local (southwest Florida) news. In Florida it carries up to 5 years prison and $5000 fine, and is itself a third degree felony. AdmiralCochrane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuySagi Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 I see that charge fairly often in the local (southwest Florida) news. In Florida it carries up to 5 years prison and $5000 fine, and is itself a third degree felony.That's interesting, and rightful if proven guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I know this thread is a bit old. I think a few people might find the following of interest. https://radiofreeq.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/militia-radio-frequencies/ Scroll down and look at the third photo in the main body of the article. Then read the caption under it. The FCC may have had good reason for the notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axorlov Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Interesting article. Some new freqs to put into my scan list. Side note: the radio on the chest or on the belt provides mild intimidation effect on general population. Even when worn alone and not paired with guns, badges or tactical vests. When I ride my MTB in group or alone, I usually carry TK-3170 (when out with family) or FT1XD (when alone), because of spotty or no cell connection where I usually ride. When others notice the radio on my belt or handlebars, politeness level goes +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lscott Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 The TK-3170 is a nice radio. I own a few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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