I don’t think Midland radios are very good.

[Hoppyjr]

Let’s just say that Midland’s pockets run deep and some of us here in the “influence sphere” are affected.
Some people here are a part of the “Midland Ambassador Program”. And I made the mistake of pissing that off.. 

So anyone who offers a positive opinion of Midland products is getting paid off?

I’ve got a couple Midland’s and they work great, so can you please call them and expedite my check?

I think you need to take two steps back and read what you’ve said. Maybe this place isn’t a good fit for you….

[SvenMarbles]

3 minutes ago, Hoppyjr said:

So anyone who offers a positive opinion of Midland products is getting paid off?

I’ve got a couple Midland’s and they work great, so can you please call them and expedite my check?

I think you need to take two steps back and read what you’ve said. Maybe this place isn’t a good fit for you….

Not anyone. But “some people”..

[Sshannon]

3 hours ago, WRQC527 said:

I have to admit, I had to look that one up because I had no idea what moral turpitude was, but now that I know I don't want anyone saying I had it when they do my obituary.

Yeah, I got it wrong. I’ll edit my comment. 

[Hoppyjr]

Not anyone. But “some people”..

Wow, you just keep going.

[marcspaz]

48 minutes ago, SvenMarbles said:

So here’s the deal. I genuinely don’t GAF about cliques in any of this stuff. Some of us can just stay out of each other’s way.

Take the merch or paid speaking engagements from midland dealers. Enjoy…

I’m just going to shoot straight as a person who uses and enjoys radios in my exploits for no other type of gain aside from personal use and enjoyment. 
 

To be fair, I’ll re-name this thread “I don’t think Midland Radios are very good”. 
 

If you want to fight with me over that, we can. But it’ll be risky.

 

 

 

What I don't understand is, you can make a friendly post like this and politely disagree, but for some reason, even though I have zero to do with Midland or any other brand or radio industry at large (I'm an IT guy by trade) you attacked my character and credibility in a mean way.

 

Have to be honest, a big part of my issue with you in this thread has nothing to do with you not believing me. You have no idea who I am, so I don't blame you. The situation is comfortably in the category of "not what you said, but how you said it."

 

If you were as cordial with you're original concerns as you were with this post, I would have been a lot more receptive. As I mentioned before, no skin off my back one way or another, but if we're going to play in the same playground, you can't get upset when you behave poorly and people here give you grief about it.

 

I am 100% willing to wipe the slate clean... I don't even need an apology... but there needs to be some understanding that not everyone is a sellout and just genuinely has a different opinion. Either agree or disagree. No need to be rude. Seem fair?

[WRXP381]

2 hours ago, SvenMarbles said:

So here’s the deal. I genuinely don’t GAF about cliques in any of this stuff. Some of us can just stay out of each other’s way.

Take the merch or paid speaking engagements from midland dealers. Enjoy…

I’m just going to shoot straight as a person who uses and enjoys radios in my exploits for no other type of gain aside from personal use and enjoyment. 
 

To be fair, I’ll re-name this thread “I don’t think Midland Radios are very good”. 
 

If you want to fight with me over that, we can. But it’ll be risky.

 

 

Totally agree.  Hate them!  Over priced junk.  Can’t stand them.  Don’t even want to look at them.  Don’t want to hear about them.  Marketing gimmicks.  Total rip off.  

[SvenMarbles]

2 hours ago, marcspaz said:

 

What I don't understand is, you can make a friendly post like this and politely disagree, but for some reason, even though I have zero to do with Midland or any other brand or radio industry at large (I'm an IT guy by trade) you attacked my character and credibility in a mean way.

 

Have to be honest, a big part of my issue with you in this thread has nothing to do with you not believing me. You have no idea who I am, so I don't blame you. The situation is comfortably in the category of "not what you said, but how you said it."

 

If you were as cordial with you're original concerns as you were with this post, I would have been a lot more receptive. As I mentioned before, no skin off my back one way or another, but if we're going to play in the same playground, you can't get upset when you behave poorly and people here give you grief about it.

 

I am 100% willing to wipe the slate clean... I don't even need an apology... but there needs to be some understanding that not everyone is a sellout and just genuinely has a different opinion. Either agree or disagree. No need to be rude. Seem fair?

No worries man. I’m not going to bug you.  I will say that I “got goofy” in the way I carried on. And,.. I probably wouldn’t choose the same language choices that I did before going forward. 
 

I carried some heat over from a completely separate discussion than was happening in this forum and brought it here. The context of it was entirely in my own mind, apart from anything going on here, so it’s no wonder why it seemed “extra”.  
 

Aside from that though, I pretty much don’t retract anything that I’ve said. Midland radios aren’t better radios than a lot of Chinese brands. They, themselves, are in fact Chinese radios. And not even the best ones of them.

I don’t believe that you bench tested the MTX and a KG-1000 and that they had comparable sensitivity marks. What your motivation for claiming that is,.. I won’t speculate. But I also won’t be  pain in your a** about it going forward. If you feel compelled to show something concrete about it (video), then I’ll gladly lay myself bare and all such things… But if not, also fine. We can just get on with everything else and we don’t need to even bring it up anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

[SvenMarbles]

9 minutes ago, SvenMarbles said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WRQC527]

3 hours ago, Sshannon said:

Yeah, I got it wrong. I’ll edit my comment. 

I think you should work "moral turpitude" back in somehow, because after reading his comments, it is rather fitting. 

[marcspaz]

5 hours ago, SvenMarbles said:

I don’t believe that you bench tested the MTX and a KG-1000 and that they had comparable sensitivity marks. What your motivation for claiming that is,.. I won’t speculate.

 

I am extremely well known in the tech world. Not because of things like YouTube or forums, but because of the work I do. So, I have had some unique opportunities and have some test equipment that most people don't have. Not sure what else to say.

I didn't mention the KG-1000G. Although I did test that radio, too. I said I had test results from the MXT500 and the Yaesu FTM-300DR, the the Midland was better. I didn't say i did a head to head, because i didn't. I have no video, pictures or anything else. I wasn't comparing them. Over the years, I tested lots of radios on separate occasions. I happened to reference the results if these two a couple of times in a few threads here, because I found them unusual. 

 

The reason I tested the Yaesu was because I was having receive problems and was hoping to align it... but I ended up sending it to Yaesu for repair. The numbers I shared were after the repair.  My results after the repair matched (close enough) to what is advertised in the owners manual...

From the manual

"0.2μV for 12dB SINAD (420 - 470 MHz, @FM)"

I have no pics, video, etc., because I was just doing it for me and my own benefit. I don't typically post tech stuff on YouTube. Especially bland stuff like Yaesu doing a repair for me.

 

As far as the Midland goes, at a completely different time, maybe a year later, I got a pre-release MXT500 model through a friend who is a pro offroader and was sponsored by them at the time.

 

I bench tested it for sharing information here and it was trash. I spent a couple of weeks working with Roger French at Midland to get it squared away. When it came back, he emailed me a test sheet that included the 12 dB SINAD and SQ4 test results. So I confirmed them at home, too.

 

I didn't video record or photograph any of that testing either, because it's way outside the understanding of most people who come to this forum. We have a lot of new users who just want to know if it's any good and don't need to get in the weeds.

 

While I didn't share much on the KG-1000G, again months apart from any of the other two, I tested that radio for entirely different reasons.

 

Danny Feemster from Cricket Ventures was working with Wouxun to develop the KG-1000G. The radio they sent me was a prototype that was essentially a heavily modified KG-UV980P. It was the only one in existence at the time and I had to send it back after about a week. That was a fantastic radio.

 

I've actually been blessed with being asked by a global tech company to test another prototype just a few weeks ago, though I can't disclose those details yet. Should be interesting to some, when it does get shared. 

 

While I still have my test gear, I don't have any of these radios anymore.  It's been years in some cases. I can't duplicate the tests without spending a ton of money... not worth it.  Seems like you have your mind made up that I'm a liar about doing any testing myself... which I find some irony in. I have no problem steering clear..  but I'm pretty sure if you post some BS, you can expect to get called out again.

 

I tried... just not going to bother anymore. 

[gortex2]

I test every radio I get in my house. I dont video them or normally document a ton of stuff becasue if I did I'd have piles of documentation that I just dont have room for. I utilize both a R2670 General Dynamics and my Anritzu LMR Master (later mostly now). Personally @marcspaz spent way more time I would arguing with someone over did he or did he not test something. Some of on this forum work in the LMR field and do indeed have knowledge and equipment to do this. Sorry if many of you dont understand this but its a reality. I didn't get where I am working for a lead LMR manufacturer by not knowing what I was doing. @marcspaz is in the same boat. There are others on here. Learn from those folks. WE have lost a few good techs from this site over threads like this. 

[Hoppyjr]

 
I am extremely well known in the tech world. Not because of things like YouTube or forums, but because of the work I do. So, I have had some unique opportunities and have some test equipment that most people don't have. Not sure what else to say.
I didn't mention the KG-1000G. Although I did test that radio, too. I said I had test results from the MXT500 and the Yaesu FTM-300DR, the the Midland was better. I didn't say i did a head to head, because i didn't. I have no video, pictures or anything else. I wasn't comparing them. Over the years, I tested lots of radios on separate occasions. I happened to reference the results if these two a couple of times in a few threads here, because I found them unusual. 
 
The reason I tested the Yaesu was because I was having receive problems and was hoping to align it... but I ended up sending it to Yaesu for repair. The numbers I shared were after the repair.  My results after the repair matched (close enough) to what is advertised in the owners manual...
From the manual
"0.2μV for 12dB SINAD (420 - 470 MHz, @FM)"
I have no pics, video, etc., because I was just doing it for me and my own benefit. I don't typically post tech stuff on YouTube. Especially bland stuff like Yaesu doing a repair for me.
 
As far as the Midland goes, at a completely different time, maybe a year later, I got a pre-release MXT500 model through a friend who is a pro offroader and was sponsored by them at the time.
 
I bench tested it for sharing information here and it was trash. I spent a couple of weeks working with Roger French at Midland to get it squared away. When it came back, he emailed me a test sheet that included the 12 dB SINAD and SQ4 test results. So I confirmed them at home, too.
 
I didn't video record or photograph any of that testing either, because it's way outside the understanding of most people who come to this forum. We have a lot of new users who just want to know if it's any good and don't need to get in the weeds.
 
While I didn't share much on the KG-1000G, again months apart from any of the other two, I tested that radio for entirely different reasons.
 
Danny Feemster from Cricket Ventures was working with Wouxun to develop the KG-1000G. The radio they sent me was a prototype that was essentially a heavily modified KG-UV980P. It was the only one in existence at the time and I had to send it back after about a week. That was a fantastic radio.
 
I've actually been blessed with being asked by a global tech company to test another prototype just a few weeks ago, though I can't disclose those details yet. Should be interesting to some, when it does get shared. 
 
While I still have my test gear, I don't have any of these radios anymore.  It's been years in some cases. I can't duplicate the tests without spending a ton of money... not worth it.  Seems like you have your mind made up that I'm a liar about doing any testing myself... which I find some irony in. I have no problem steering clear..  but I'm pretty sure if you post some BS, you can expect to get called out again.
 
I tried... just not going to bother anymore. 

While I’ll file all of that under “useful and cool info” you didn’t need to explain yourself to the guy, he’s just being “that guy”, maybe because he needs attention.

I’m looking forward to learning about the radio you just tested. I would love a KG1000g with dimmable display too.

[WRQC527]

Is it just me or does this entire thread remind anyone else of the final scene from the movie "Burn After Reading"?

[Sshannon]

30 minutes ago, WRQC527 said:

Is it just me or does this entire thread remind anyone else of the final scene from the movie "Burn After Reading"?

Might as well have been burn before reading.