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In your situation personally I wouldn't rely on radio. I carry a Garmin Inreach for places like that now as I rutinely work/play in areas with no cell. People can argue all they want about coverage but I've never had a message not go thru for giving an update to family or friends. For $15.00 a month I like the safety of it in my back pocket. 
 

In your situation personally I wouldn't rely on radio. I carry a Garmin Inreach for places like that now as I rutinely work/play in areas with no cell. People can argue all they want about coverage but I've never had a message not go thru for giving an update to family or friends. For $15.00 a month I like the safety of it in my back pocket. 
 

Just don't use a cheap Chinese junk duplexer. Use a quality duplexer like EMR Corp. Celwave, Sinclair, Motorola, and  Telewave.

Amateur Radio and GMRS.......They are separate services, I'd like to see it stay that way......Why usurp another radio service and ruin it?????
GMRS+ is a load of crap - It is the last sheet on a roll of TP, worthless. The whole idea is NO EXAMS to use GMRS.
Just because "we" hams can do it, doesn't mean we should on GMRS - experimental use? Aren't our amateur bands underused as it is? Policing??? "Self Policing" simply means YOU are policing YOUR OWN operation, not anyone elses.
Channel cops?, Lets get them kids using their radios illegally --- That'l teach 'em -- we can hold their parents liable.
It's ridiculous
Get real.

1/4 wave whip is 6" and will work better than both of the antennas mentioned.....

1/4 wave whip is 6" and will work better than both of the antennas mentioned.....

1/4 wave whip is 6" and will work better than both of the antennas mentioned.....

Those that push using channel 19 haven't looked at their license I guess. The frequencies for channel 19, simplex and repeater, are prohibited north of "Line A" and East of "Line C". That cuts out a LOT of population centers. That's why it's a dumb idea.

Again we are beating a dead horse. If you want to use some 10 code use it. I can say in Public Safety world very little of the 10 code system is still in play. Other than 10-4 you wont hear it much in public safety. In SAR we have a few "CODES" for critical information but to be honest just go to encryption if we need to discuss that.

Agree. Not sure why one would want to know who is around them ? I wouldnt answer if someone called me on the radio unless it was family or close friend.
 

I'm easy to find, but if someone reached out to me, I would ignore them.  That might just be me.

I wonder if you understand what the intended use of GMRS/FRS is? It's not social media. You come here for that. LOL! The reason the license covers your family is so families and friends can stay in touch for things like camping, hiking, off roading, use on the property, farm etc. Amateur radio (ham) is better for reaching out to strangers to make contacts if that is your interest. Sure there is some of that with GMRS but that's not really what it's for. 

Yea, I know of one analog smart net system still being used today. 
Anyways, if you have eligibility 90.35 (a), then it's only time & money at that point. 

Not really surprising at all. Most of the Trunk Systems where analog (still some are) in the early days. There are alot of XTL and XTS that were ordered that way. Also alot of the "rebanded" radios (800mhz) had wierd feature sets and none included digital. Remember when those radios came out digital was an option. We have some SAR radios like this becuse we couldn't justify digital just to have and we only bought 2 radios....imagine an agency buying hundredds. That could add up fast. 
 

@WRVY822 A GMRS type certified radio is not supposed to allow you to transmit on both HAM and GMRS at the same time. Some radios appear to get around the separation of hardware issue by wiping out the programming every time you switch from one service to the other and only allow you to transmit on one service at a time.
There are HAM radios that can transmit on GMRS frequencies but you are not supposed to use them for that.
I do not have the radio in question so I can't tell you what it actually does, I can only tell you what it is supposed to do.

I learned that lesson years ago buying sockets. After my second trip get a new socket, the light went on. 🤔

Have a dozen of them. Monitor multiple P25 trunked systems with mine as well as ADSB Recevier and APRS IGate. I prefer Airspy but the cheap ones on amazon seem to work well for APRS and ADS. I use quality antenna systems on all of them and not the packages stuff that comes. On my APRS I actually run a pass filter to keep the other VHF stuff at home out of the receiver. 

Laird 4605 and LMR400 from Times Microwave....I'd rather spend the funds now vs speniding money over and over for the same thing. 
 

TX power has nothing to do with reception. If you are on the edge of the repeaters coverage then have 3db of loss in cable that's most likely your issue. A 50 watt radio will not receive any better than a 5 watt radio. Depending on the repeater this may be your issue.

ITs been like this for a week now. I have multiple changes to process. Guessing the squirrels took a nap. 
 

Nothing is standard. It can have software ADP depending on the flash code of the radio. Q667 was the Software ADP option. You really need to run the flash code from the radio you are looking at to determine which options it has. I have multiple XTS portables that have no secure in the flash code. 

So some clarification on ADP on MSI gear. Yes some MSI gear came with software ADP, but not all of them. It was a flash code option. I have XTL2500's for SAR that have Hardware ADP/AES as once you add any other encryption you need to be hardware. When the APX series came out ADP was standard and free. That has changed to a option but still can be had. Regardless of secure type (ADP, AES, DES, DES-XL, DES-OFB) if its set for hardware with a MACE board you will need a key loader of some sort to load keys. 
Also when you apply for your license you will need to determine your modulation. You can have multiple on the channel but make sure they add it to the license while applying. Adding DMR/P25 to your analog emission is what a lot do. If you know your never doing DMR then dont worry about it but again its part of your license. 
I'll add DMR is a more economical digital standard for B&I stuff where as P25 is the standard in Public Safety. The reason really boils down to cost. Yes you can buy used LMR gear but if your looking at new stuff a XPR is a 1/4 of an APX. 
Also if your only looking for a few portables, repeater and maybe a few mobiles talk to you local LMR dealers. Alot run a SMR system (most likely DMR) and you can rent airtime and not worry about repeater sites, maintenance etc required with your own stuff. And it allows you to dabble with a service until you decide what you want to do. When I was in the shop days I think it was $15.00 a month per radio and got alot of folks on the air over night per say. 
Definately do research if this is for a business use. Sometimes a basic simplex system is all you really do need..

Incorrect.  The Motorolas can do "ADP" encryption which does not require a key-loader.. ADP is not as strong as AES256 (which does require a key-loader), but it is MORE than good-enough for anyone not transmitting state-secrets or plotting another unplanned group-tour of The Capitol.

If you want APRS, get an amateur license and quit trying to make GMRS into something it wasn't meant to be.

All you people wanting to turn GMRS into a clone of amateur radio need to just get their licenses.

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Back to FCC licensing. As said above find a frequency coordinator. Also depending on the "business" service it may require a certain coordinator. Not all coordinators deal with all services in regards to that. Public Safety coordinators normally focus on that while other focus on B&I frequencies. Also depending on your location the license can take forever (Above Line A) as it will need to go to Canada for approval. It took us over 2 years to get approval for the last SAR frequency we got in NY. In the south a standard business license will be processed by your coordinator and then tru the FCC pretty quickly. It will also depend on if your looking for just simplex channels or repeater or multisite repeaters. Thats really were the coordinator and your self need to do some work.