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I am new to this hobby, but it looking at your repeater directories/map, why do you list the repeater by frequency rather than channel number. 
If I’m looking for a repeater and I find the one I’d like to try why doesn’t it just say channel 15 repeater and then put in the tone, why do you have to force a person to go to a look up table to cross reference the frequency to a channel?  You could just put the channel number in parentheses next to the frequency. if I’m not mistaken, all of the radios have channel numbers on their display not frequencies.  
please advise if I am missing something, thank you!

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2 hours ago, rlford665 said:

I am new to this hobby, but it looking at your repeater directories/map, why do you list the repeater by frequency rather than channel number. 
If I’m looking for a repeater and I find the one I’d like to try why doesn’t it just say channel 15 repeater and then put in the tone, why do you have to force a person to go to a look up table to cross reference the frequency to a channel?  You could just put the channel number in parentheses next to the frequency. if I’m not mistaken, all of the radios have channel numbers on their display not frequencies.  
please advise if I am missing something, thank you!

Tradition. Before 2017 rule change 50W GMRS frequencies were not legally available for FRS users. Of course, everybody on FRS still used them, thus a rule change in 2017. It's actually easier to remember frequencies. Block of hi-power channels starts with 462.550 MHz, ends with 462.725 MHz, step is 25 KHz. 5W interstitial are in between, and I don't care about 0.5W channels. Easy.

And not all radios have channel numbers. Many Part 95 and Part 90 radios only display channels if you program to display them. I can't be bothered to remember all these silly channel numbers. They are also different between Uniden and the rest of manufacturers.

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2 hours ago, rlford665 said:

I am new to this hobby, but it looking at your repeater directories/map, why do you list the repeater by frequency rather than channel number. 
If I’m looking for a repeater and I find the one I’d like to try why doesn’t it just say channel 15 repeater and then put in the tone, why do you have to force a person to go to a look up table to cross reference the frequency to a channel?  You could just put the channel number in parentheses next to the frequency. if I’m not mistaken, all of the radios have channel numbers on their display not frequencies.  
please advise if I am missing something, thank you!

Not the one that made the decision, but I can make a semi educated guess on the main reason behind this...While the situation has gotten better in terms of things being standardized, some models/brands do not (or did not) follow the current "standard" channel/frequency mapping, so channel 15 on one radio may not be the same frequency as channel 15 on another brand. 

Another minor bonus is for those using something beyond the current off the shelf gear, such as some of the dual certified (90/95a) gear that doesn't come preprogrammed. (Edit: @axorlov posted while I was typing, and beat me to it on this part 😆)

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18 hours ago, rlford665 said:

if I’m not mistaken, all of the radios have channel numbers on their display not frequencies.

Unfortunately, even though it appears that there is a "standard" for channel usage, this is not followed in many cases. While almost all FRS/GMRS radios follow the same frequency assignments on channels 1-22, when you get above that, things tend to be far less standardized. Some of the "bubble pack" radios offer up to "50 channels" although for channels 23-50, they are actually using the same frequencies as channels 1-22, but with pre-defined CTCSS tones. Most bubble pack radios do not provide repeater access.

Many other radios, and most that allow repeater access, are programmable, and many of them allow you to program the channel name. There is very little standardization when it comes to channel naming here. I have seen all of the following designations for the same repeater frequency pair (in this case, 462.625/467.625): CH 26, GMRS 26, RPTR 18, RPTR 4, and a variety of other custom channel names. If you know the meaning for each of these channel names, they all make sense in one way or another, but there isn't necessarily a "best" way to name them.

The only thing that remains consistent in the above examples is the frequency pair in use, which I believe is why the repeaters are listed by frequency.

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6 minutes ago, WyoJoe said:

There is very little standardization when it comes to channel naming here. I have seen all of the following designations for the same repeater frequency pair (in this case, 462.625/467.625): CH 26, GMRS 26, RPTR 18, RPTR 4, and a variety of other custom channel names. If you know the meaning for each of these channel names, they all make sense in one way or another, but there isn't necessarily a "best" way to name them.

The only thing that remains consistent in the above examples is the frequency pair in use, which I believe is why the repeaters are listed by frequency.

Most people probably do what I did and take the Radio Reference combined chart and set repeater 1 to 8 in sequence.

https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/FRS/GMRS_combined_channel_chart

 

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And indeed when setting up a radio for an unknown person I usually follow the Midland channel scheme.

 

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Definitely, paper repeaters are the biggest issue confronting this site.  I agree with all who said there needs to be a user input for status (on or off air), as well as incorrect tones, coverage, etc.  Just as an example, as far as I can tell, none of the repeaters listed for Sumter, SC are on the air.  There is one listed for Andrews, SC the operator of which shows an expired license.  

Sadly, as with too many ham repeaters, there are some owners who just did not have the extra 30 seconds it would have taken to encode a tone on the output of the repeater that requires one to key it up.  Separate listings for tone status on the input and output would be especially helpful regarding these repeaters.

As there becomes an increasing number of repeaters with wide/narrow capability, there should be a wide or narrow notation for every repeater.

One last thing I may have overlooked, on the window that appears on the location/coverage map, what is "ORI"?

Thank you and 73!

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LScott, thank you!  That designator has been driving me bonkers for some time.  Great idea, BTW!  I always figured if someone used 141.3, especially on 675, they must intend that it be open.  Interesting how many do, yet restrict access.  I will give you a like when the site allows it.  It says I have used up my likes for today. 🤔

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How about a Full/Complete GMRS Repeater List for EASY-Download so that folks can print themselves a book/quick-reference to take along with them while on the road.

I travel Texas, New Mexico and Colorado and needed a Quick Reference of the Repeaters that I am travelling near.

Attached is a CSV File.

As of this posting, the CSV File is the complete GMRS.com Repeater List with a few duplicates removed.  It can be Opened in EXCEL (or even a TEXT Viewer).

With this list, I can pick out and sort the list any way I choose ... and so can anyone else.

I think this would be useful addition to GMRS.com's website/services.

GMRS_Repeaters.csv

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